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Post by pillis on Sept 14, 2014 15:36:24 GMT -5
I agree on the excessive lenght of GAG but it features really cool lyrics while PUMP was a cheesy, over-sexualized 80s album...it's cool because of the strong production which was years ahead of the awful PV. I think tht PUMP is a great album, soldi and choesive but it lacks content while GAG is more of an interesting journey. If you don't like crying because you think it's a ballad, which it isn't, that doesn't mean that the album sucks, sonically it's so much better and edgier than all of the 80s stuff (pre/post dwm). Then if you think that what it takes is better than edge or amazing...well, I think it's a weak opinion as the latter 2 are way more original and meaningful.
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Post by Zen on Sept 15, 2014 0:01:46 GMT -5
First off, The Making of Pump is essential viewing for any Aerosmith fan (too bad they didn't do this for more albums!) If you want to do the equivalent of youtube dumpster diving, there are lots of behind scenes gems from a wide span of albums, including way back to the making of 'lightning strikes'. 'Big Ones You Can Look At' has "making of" footage from quite a few songs and "in the studio recording" some other songs, it also has them in the studio for the Simpsons. There is a making of 'Jaded' and a few others whose names elude me right now. As I said if you dig deep on youtube and also dailymotion you will find lots.
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Post by aerosmith6703 on Sept 15, 2014 12:44:44 GMT -5
Never did anything for me.. I bought it when it first came out and remember only really listening to Elevator and What It Takes... Both of which I could take or leave today... For those that post here I honestly think Pump/PV/GAG are albums that standout to me above all other Aerosmith albums that you have to put into personal perspectives. Depending on your age when you first saw a video/heard a song or whole album they'll come off different for everyone. From what I can gather from the old AF1 boards and here the fans that are under 30 are few and far between (that post). Having said that for many of us PV/Pump/GAG came out when we were just getting into a groove of finding "our music" as kids, we were young teens who were coming out of the Glam Rock era into something new, the Appetite for Destruction/early Grunge/Alternative Rock/Punk Rock phase. For it's time PV/Pump were very good albums. Both straddled a lot of different sounds for the time. PV was necessary to get Aerosmith back into the mainstream conciseness while Pump took chances (Jaine) while also producing some commercial hits. GAG was interesting because Aerosmith took a direction that went against the grain a bit and stayed away from the Grunge influence. While some may not like the direction Aerosmith went post comeback I'm always thankful they stayed more true to themselves and didn't fall into the Alternative/Grunge sound. With perspective as a 33 year old I personally loved PV/Pump/GAG when they were released and enjoyed them through high school, now as a 33 year old I appreciate other albums more but they still standout to me for their sound vs. what was more popular at the time in a positive way.
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Post by bartman2001 on Sept 15, 2014 14:33:33 GMT -5
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Agree on the first statement completely. Don’t think Janie was a particulary “risky” song. Grunge showed how bad most late 80’s rock was and how soulless/ mindless kind it was. If it wasn’t for their past history and PV was Aerosmith’s first album GAG would have been laughed at in ’93.
"I was cryin' when I met you trying to forget you" is about the most bland and lame lyrics anyone could think of. And that’s just one of the many examples of those types of lyrics that kill GAG and just about everything released afterwards.
As for Pump: Young Lust - 8 FINE - 9 Love in an Elevator - 6 Monkey on my Back - 9 Janies Got a Gun - 2 The Otherside - 6 My Girl - 8 Dont Get Mad Get Even - 8 Voodoo Medicine Man - 9 What it Takes – 9.5
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Post by aerozhul on Sept 15, 2014 21:50:29 GMT -5
Never did anything for me.. I bought it when it first came out and remember only really listening to Elevator and What It Takes... Both of which I could take or leave today... With perspective as a 33 year old I personally loved PV/Pump/GAG when they were released and enjoyed them through high school, now as a 33 year old I appreciate other albums more but they still standout to me for their sound vs. what was more popular at the time in a positive way. I agree with this completely - the Geffen albums, and Pump and GAG in particular, will always be special to me because they were my first exposure to this band during my formative years, and I have a lot of memories and nostalgia tied to some of those songs...likely very similar to some of the memories that older posters here have of the 70s stuff when they were teenagers. Today I like the 70s stuff better, but the fondness for the Geffen material remains.
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Post by aerozhul on Sept 15, 2014 22:09:00 GMT -5
Don’t think Janie was a particulary “risky” song. Grunge showed how bad most late 80’s rock was and how soulless/ mindless kind it was. If it wasn’t for their past history and PV was Aerosmith’s first album GAG would have been laughed at in ’93. Janie's lyrical content was a bit of a departure from the typical Aerosmith song. "Risky" might not be the best way to describe it, but it was definitely different. Even though I don't personally count that song as one of my favorites, I still can appreciate that they made a huge hit out of a song about incest/rape and murder. Still one of their best videos... I remember how popular GAG was around fall of '93 on the strength of Cryin' and Edge....it really kind of took on a life of its own above and beyond anything that came before it. Many of the kids I hung out with didn't even know about Pump or PV, but had GAG blasting on their car stereo. I even remember a lot of long-time Aerosmith fans really liking it at the time.
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Post by pillis on Sept 16, 2014 11:45:14 GMT -5
Taking the safest verse from crying doesn't take down GAG lyrical content, edge, amazing, gag, etr have all great content much more interesting and original than pump where the only good lyrics can be found in janie which is one of the lamest aero songs ever. Then I agree with aerosmith6703, GAG had a totally different and aggressive sound in comparison so the simplicistic grung that was around. PUMP was commrcial but still great and strong while I still have to say that PV was tired and following the air metal trend and didn't suited aerosmith's gritty sound to me.
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Post by aerozhul on Sept 16, 2014 16:13:15 GMT -5
Taking the safest verse from crying doesn't take down GAG lyrical content, edge, amazing, gag, etr have all great content much more interesting and original than pump where the only good lyrics can be found in janie which is one of the lamest aero songs ever. Then I agree with aerosmith6703, GAG had a totally different and aggressive sound in comparison so the simplicistic grung that was around. PUMP was commrcial but still great and strong while I still have to say that PV was tired and following the air metal trend and didn't suited aerosmith's gritty sound to me. Alright Pillis, I'm trying to defend GAG a little, but to go so far as to say that it's better than PUMP and that PUMP's only good lyrics are on Janie is blasphemous!
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Post by pillis on Sept 17, 2014 14:27:18 GMT -5
Taking the safest verse from crying doesn't take down GAG lyrical content, edge, amazing, gag, etr have all great content much more interesting and original than pump where the only good lyrics can be found in janie which is one of the lamest aero songs ever. Then I agree with aerosmith6703, GAG had a totally different and aggressive sound in comparison so the simplicistic grung that was around. PUMP was commrcial but still great and strong while I still have to say that PV was tired and following the air metal trend and didn't suited aerosmith's gritty sound to me. Alright Pillis, I'm trying to defend GAG a little, but to go so far as to say that it's better than PUMP and that PUMP's only good lyrics are on Janie is blasphemous! None of them can stand a chance against toys in the attic but they're good, I just think that GAG was edgier and more modern while PUMP still had a bit of that basic 80s sound which kinda of put them among many other bands while no one sounded like GAG back then, you can despise crying and edge but they're huge songs and crying is quite a rocking song tbh. GAG sounds gritty and irreverent as Aerosmith sopposed to be, I really enjoyed the over-sexualized themes on PUMP but to me it was much more of a commercial release although it features some of my aero fav songs like hoodoo/voodoo and Young Lust and even the commercial singles were quite good, I used to love janies when I was a kid but now it sounds so cheesy to me.
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