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Post by aerozhul on Sept 7, 2014 8:52:28 GMT -5
I think it's unethical (is that a word) of the band members to charge people to meet them for any amount.
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Post by Zen on Sept 8, 2014 20:46:44 GMT -5
I think it's unethical (is that a word) of the band members to charge people to meet them for any amount. I get what you mean aerozhul. Unethical is a word but I would call it discriminatory myself. If you are strapped for cash then you can't afford it so they are discriminating against quite a few of their fans. On the flip side they can't exactly stand around and meet everyone who buys a ticket either. I have never heard of them being rude when someone runs into them when they are out and about and asks for an autograph or a photo but most people don't get lucky enough to do that either. Charging people to meet them is a way that they can meet a few people in a controlled environment. I decided to pay because I figured I had little chance of meeting them any other way, it cost my husband and I $2500 which is a hell of a lot more than the $300 you guys are currently talking about.
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Post by lin on Sept 9, 2014 6:25:55 GMT -5
I think it's unethical (is that a word) of the band members to charge people to meet them for any amount. I get what you mean aerozhul. Unethical is a word but I would call it discriminatory myself. If you are strapped for cash then you can't afford it so they are discriminating against quite a few of their fans. On the flip side they can't exactly stand around and meet everyone who buys a ticket either. I have never heard of them being rude when someone runs into them when they are out and about and asks for an autograph or a photo but most people don't get lucky enough to do that either. Charging people to meet them is a way that they can meet a few people in a controlled environment. I decided to pay because I figured I had little chance of meeting them any other way, it cost my husband and I $2500 which is a hell of a lot more than the $300 you guys are currently talking about.Well by that token, it would also be discriminating against quite a few fans who can't even afford the $300 to attend a show, or even the $49.50 for lawn seats. I can tell you that when my husband and I were first married and had two little kids, we couldn't even afford that.... so we didn't go to shows. But I would never have said they were discriminatory. And you're right that charging people is a way to meet people without it getting out of control.... and they only charge what the market will bear. If people thought it was too expensive, they wouldn't pay it... .and many don't. I see no problem with it.
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Post by aerosmith6703 on Sept 9, 2014 6:53:10 GMT -5
You all realize ticket prices are high because bands can't make money off of album sales anymore right? There's a very small section of bands/solo artists that make money off of album sales. There will be some exceptions such as Country acts or Jay-Z who attached his last album to all Samsung phones that were sold. (U2 seems to be doing the same with the Iphone 6) Selling 150,000 albums on your release week is a big deal now, in the 70's/80's/90's that was a disaster. To make it worth the time and effort for bands like KISS/Aerosmith touring with high ticket prices and offering these packages is the way to go. Does it suck? Yes. But nobody that's a long time AF1 member can act like they haven't seen it coming for over a decade. The Velvet Rope stuff goes back to 2002-2003, if you haven't figured out that the prices are just going to keep inflating in a decade I really don't know what to tell you. However, from my experience in Atlanta (there may be exceptions) over the past two tours, for every person that drops out of AF1 and doesn't buy a package there's still a slew of folks willing to step up and pay the price. Those $1,200+, $300+ and $150+ tickets sell very well. When that changes the older Rock bands will likely retire or cut their tours down to select cities and charge even more for a seat. It's not going away and it's not going to change even if AF1 exists or not.
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Post by aerosmith6703 on Sept 9, 2014 6:55:38 GMT -5
I get what you mean aerozhul. Unethical is a word but I would call it discriminatory myself. If you are strapped for cash then you can't afford it so they are discriminating against quite a few of their fans. On the flip side they can't exactly stand around and meet everyone who buys a ticket either. I have never heard of them being rude when someone runs into them when they are out and about and asks for an autograph or a photo but most people don't get lucky enough to do that either. Charging people to meet them is a way that they can meet a few people in a controlled environment. I decided to pay because I figured I had little chance of meeting them any other way, it cost my husband and I $2500 which is a hell of a lot more than the $300 you guys are currently talking about. Well by that token, it would also be discriminating against quite a few fans who can't even afford the $300 to attend a show, or even the $49.50 for lawn seats. I can tell you that when my husband and I were first married and had two little kids, we couldn't even afford that.... so we didn't go to shows. But I would never have said they were discriminatory. And you're right that charging people is a way to meet people without it getting out of control.... and they only charge what the market will bear. If people thought it was too expensive, they wouldn't pay it... .and many don't. I see no problem with it. That is something a lot of folks in America have a hard concept grasping. Why worry about what you can afford when you can just CHARGE IT! Great post, this hits the nail firmly on the head.
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Post by Zen on Sept 9, 2014 7:47:51 GMT -5
I get what you mean aerozhul. Unethical is a word but I would call it discriminatory myself. If you are strapped for cash then you can't afford it so they are discriminating against quite a few of their fans. On the flip side they can't exactly stand around and meet everyone who buys a ticket either. I have never heard of them being rude when someone runs into them when they are out and about and asks for an autograph or a photo but most people don't get lucky enough to do that either. Charging people to meet them is a way that they can meet a few people in a controlled environment. I decided to pay because I figured I had little chance of meeting them any other way, it cost my husband and I $2500 which is a hell of a lot more than the $300 you guys are currently talking about. Well by that token, it would also be discriminating against quite a few fans who can't even afford the $300 to attend a showquite a few fans who can't even afford the $300 to attend a show, or even the $49.50 for lawn seats. I can tell you that when my husband and I were first married and had two little kids, we couldn't even afford that.... so we didn't go to shows. But I would never have said they were discriminatory. And you're right that charging people is a way to meet people without it getting out of control.... and they only charge what the market will bear. If people thought it was too expensive, they wouldn't pay it... .and many don't. I see no problem with it. lin...I think you missed my point...you guys are paying $300 per person for a M&G, I paid $1250, that has nothing to do with a normal ticket price or your comment of "quite a few fans who can't even afford the $300 to attend a show"
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Post by lin on Sept 9, 2014 10:30:43 GMT -5
Well by that token, it would also be discriminating against quite a few fans who can't even afford the $300 to attend a showquite a few fans who can't even afford the $300 to attend a show, or even the $49.50 for lawn seats. I can tell you that when my husband and I were first married and had two little kids, we couldn't even afford that.... so we didn't go to shows. But I would never have said they were discriminatory. And you're right that charging people is a way to meet people without it getting out of control.... and they only charge what the market will bear. If people thought it was too expensive, they wouldn't pay it... .and many don't. I see no problem with it. lin...I think you missed my point...you guys are paying $300 per person for a M&G, I paid $1250, that has nothing to do with a normal ticket price or your comment of "quite a few fans who can't even afford the $300 to attend a show"I dont' think so. You said that they were discriminating against people who couldn't afford to pay the $1250 for a meet and greet. That's what we paid for it here too. I don't know of anyone who got the M&G with Joe/Steven (Wheels Up) for less than that. Sweet Spot (the Q&A with the Joey, Brad, and Tom) was $300. So anyway, I thought your point was they were discriminating against people who couldn't afford to pay, so by that same token, you could say the same about people who couldn't afford the $300 for a concert, or even the cheaper seats. Also.. they only charge what people are willing to pay.
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Post by Zen on Sept 9, 2014 14:01:45 GMT -5
I actually thought the way they handled the tickets was pathetic, but it is what it is. No matter what your seniority is, the only way you could get a good seat is if you wanted to by a stupid $300 Meet and Greet. That just doesn't seem right to me. I took this as a meet and greet price^
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Post by lin on Sept 9, 2014 15:00:09 GMT -5
I actually thought the way they handled the tickets was pathetic, but it is what it is. No matter what your seniority is, the only way you could get a good seat is if you wanted to by a stupid $300 Meet and Greet. That just doesn't seem right to me. I took this as a meet and greet price^I wish... really and truly. I paid the $1250 though. But now I understand where your comment came from.
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Post by aerozhul on Sept 10, 2014 20:11:01 GMT -5
Well by that token, it would also be discriminating against quite a few fans who can't even afford the $300 to attend a show, or even the $49.50 for lawn seats. I can tell you that when my husband and I were first married and had two little kids, we couldn't even afford that.... so we didn't go to shows. But I would never have said they were discriminatory. And you're right that charging people is a way to meet people without it getting out of control.... and they only charge what the market will bear. If people thought it was too expensive, they wouldn't pay it... .and many don't. I see no problem with it. That is something a lot of folks in America have a hard concept grasping. Why worry about what you can afford when you can just CHARGE IT! Great post, this hits the nail firmly on the head. I can't tell if you're kidding or not. I hope so!
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Post by lin on Sept 10, 2014 21:37:18 GMT -5
That is something a lot of folks in America have a hard concept grasping. Why worry about what you can afford when you can just CHARGE IT! Great post, this hits the nail firmly on the head. I can't tell if you're kidding or not. I hope so! Unfortunately I think far too many people live on credit and have maxed out all their cards and have borrowed all the equity in their homes.
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