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Post by aerohead4life on Jul 1, 2014 20:23:49 GMT -5
You left out one very important part.
I am confident in the Russians ability. But then I also thought their take over of Crimea was necessary and acceptable. Even though our government has gotten delusional about money, the embassy was almost a $billion and that should not be abandoned lightly. I disagree with you. If in fact what we have been doing there is dominating I think we should still be doing it and being a bit more aggressive about it. "You will sell us oil for this amount and we will let you be, and protect you from.......".
"You will sell us oil for this amount In exchange for US dollars and we will let you be, and protect you from.......".
Our dominance in the region was to make sure that all oil transactions were in US dollars only. Those days are over forever. We had the world squeezed by the nuts when all oil transactions were in US currancy. Now if we threaton someone when they take Rubles or Yuan or yen or Euros for oil we have nothing to back that threat up with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 20:27:28 GMT -5
My major was finance but I guess it was too many years ago. I have no understanding for the consequence of the above. I guess I assumed countries always paid in their own currencies as long as they were stable enough for the buyer and the buyer thought exchange rates were something they could live with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 20:29:28 GMT -5
At the end of the day, we dominate where we want, and what I am saying we had better hold on to that. I guess until we develop lasers that can shoot down nukes and we decide protecting our borders is not a social issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 20:31:28 GMT -5
The Kurds are screwed if they don't join forces with Iran and Russia. I think that is the way they will continue to exist. ISIS is here to stay. I watched a map of the fluctuations of the Islamic State over the last 2,500 years in 100 year increments and it brought it all into prospective for me. WE are only a temporary dominant force in the region and we are in the last few minutes of that dominance. I am sure what you say is true since my understanding of it is that they are up there in their own corner alone by those two countries. Everything I have read or listened to has said they are making a great go at a future.
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Post by aerohead4life on Jul 1, 2014 20:33:15 GMT -5
Can you give me a link to that map. Sounds interesting. It seems the Kurds are just up there living life as a new country. "They" say there are Russian nukes to be had (because the breakup and splintering of the Russian nukes was such a great idea). The game has changed. We need to be dominate the best we can be for as long as possible. It really is a different world out there. Maybe i am pessimistic. YES. Looking for it. I have it bookmarked and you will find it very interesting. As far as Crimea I agree with you. Very stretegic on Putin's part and the Ukraine will become a failed state if they don't become a Russian satillite state with token autonomous benefits.
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Post by aerohead4life on Jul 1, 2014 20:35:20 GMT -5
My major was finance but I guess it was too many years ago. I have no understanding for the consequence of the above. I guess I assumed countries always paid in their own currencies as long as they were stable enough for the buyer and the buyer thought exchange rates were something they could live with.
Google petrodollars and it will blow your mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 20:41:57 GMT -5
Can you give me a link to that map. Sounds interesting. It seems the Kurds are just up there living life as a new country. "They" say there are Russian nukes to be had (because the breakup and splintering of the Russian nukes was such a great idea). The game has changed. We need to be dominate the best we can be for as long as possible. It really is a different world out there. Maybe i am pessimistic. YES. Looking for it. I have it bookmarked and you will find it very interesting. As far as Crimea I agree with you. Very stretegic on Putin's part and the Ukraine will become a failed state if they don't become a Russian satillite state with token autonomous benefits.YES! Thank you! It certainly would be no different here if Mexico or Canada was in play. Or Cuba (please, we have a base there. Are we not saying "you are self governing at our pleasure".). Or any south American country.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 20:51:09 GMT -5
Google petrodollars and it will blow your mind. Can you guide me to your argument better. Petrodollars seem like something that just came about after the cold war and more specifically 2002 when Bush became enacted things...........getting an econ lesson the past few minutes googling around and so far not any worse than going off the gold standard. I have heard the world as a whole might leave the dollar and while that sounds bad, I don't understand why.
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Post by aerohead4life on Jul 1, 2014 20:54:03 GMT -5
I am sure what you say is true since my understanding of it is that they are up there in their own corner alone by those two countries. Everything I have read or listened to has said they are making a great go at a future. Yes they are tucked away between Iran and Turkey. The Turks seem to hate them and that border is as good as closed but....protective in nature. We may see the Turks needing to bolster the Kurds western and southern borders against ISIS. Iran is very protective (I THINK) and the Kurda have nothing to worry about from them. I need to read more on that so I can better understand their relationships.
However....If ISIS starts spreading to Turkey?? All shit will break loose. maps, maps, maps!!! Look at them. This is going to be one of the most important periods in history. And by that I only mean our little segment of history. Take us out of the equation and there will be no significant change in how things unfold. Just clicking around I found this link that shows how the Turks hate the Kurds.
broke the link.com/2012/08/03/israel-and-kurdistan-turkey-enters-a-dangerous-game/
I'll find a better explanation of the relationship between the Turks and Kurds.
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Post by aerohead4life on Jul 1, 2014 21:02:11 GMT -5
Can you guide me to your argument better. Petrodollars seem like something that just came about after the cold war and more specifically 2002 when Bush became enacted things...........getting an econ lesson the past few minutes googling around and so far not any worse than going off the gold standard. I have heard the world as a whole might leave the dollar and while that sounds bad, I don't understand why. wiki nailed it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:07:06 GMT -5
America gone. I would think we had "politicians" everywhere in everything. Probably not huh While i am certain we played Saddam as I assume we do every leader, I do not believe we told him to go into Kuwait. I had a couple of friends who were Palestinian refugees when Kuwait kicked all of them out for many of them siding with Saddam in the invasion. If anyone is aware if this is true would they not have been? The rest of the article has turned into Bush bashing (certainly not a Bush fan) and taints the whole thing for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:08:14 GMT -5
Can you guide me to your argument better. Petrodollars seem like something that just came about after the cold war and more specifically 2002 when Bush became enacted things...........getting an econ lesson the past few minutes googling around and so far not any worse than going off the gold standard. I have heard the world as a whole might leave the dollar and while that sounds bad, I don't understand why. wiki nailed it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PetrodollarI already read that and it doesn't seem to stress what you said. Canadian $$ even being interchangeable with ours. I guess I still don't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:12:58 GMT -5
Wiki: Petrodollars I still see it as we are the ultimate in command because of our "might". That hasn't changed yet and won't until some new weapons come about........and my fear has been it will come from the countries who still educate their young well who study mathematics and engineering, not Xbox and Wii. God, showing my age.
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Post by aerohead4life on Jul 1, 2014 21:13:55 GMT -5
(On the turks link )Yes I didn't read far enough into that one to realize it was political in nature and not as factual and informative as I would have wanted. My bad as I was rushing about looking for links about Turks relationship to Kurds. I'll do better and I was not trying to polute the conversation with politics.
As far as the wiki link about petro dollars at least you have something to explore to help you understand the impact of our demand that everyone had to use US dollars for oil transactions. Let's revisit that subject later.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:15:16 GMT -5
SO interesting. I remember 10 years ago the exchange rate was in our favor and now seems to be equalling.
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