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Post by martisucks on Dec 31, 2022 0:05:26 GMT -5
Timeline-wise, I checked setlist.fm and Aerosmith played in Portland, OR at the Portland Memorial Coliseum on 11/29/73 and then played in Seattle at the Paramount Theatre the very next night, 11/30/73. So, those were the nights she specifically mentioned as when she met Steven and when they engaged in sexual activity. The article states that "In the suit, Holcomb alleges that she 'was powerless to resist' Tyler’s 'power, fame and substantial financial ability'." The problem that I have with that statement is that while Steven did ultimately get power, fame and substantial financial ability, he didn't really have any of those things in November of 1973 when they first met. At that time he was just a regional rock musician from New England who had sold around 30k copies or so of Aerosmith's debut album and he was attempting to help the band break nationwide. He did ultimately achieve power, fame and financial ability during Steven and Julia's time together but he truly didn't have those things in 1973 when they met. The band didn't really break out until 1975 when Toys made them an arena headliner. That's when the money, fame and power came. Really great point. They were struggling musicians at that stage. I also don’t understand how there are 50 unnamed defendants The only guess that I can make on unnamed defendants is that she might have also included anyone associated with Aerosmith at the time who might have had knowledge of what was happening and her age at the time: possibly including the band's management, the road crew, record company reps & the other band members. That is completely a guess, though.
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Post by petertherock on Dec 31, 2022 2:58:19 GMT -5
Really great point. They were struggling musicians at that stage. I also don’t understand how there are 50 unnamed defendants The only guess that I can make on unnamed defendants is that she might have also included anyone associated with Aerosmith at the time who might have had knowledge of what was happening and her age at the time: possibly including the band's management, the road crew, record company reps & the other band members. That is completely a guess, though. Well if the story about Ray Tabano setting her apartment on fire is true then that would be one of the defendants.
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Post by pillis on Dec 31, 2022 6:50:01 GMT -5
All these lawsuits are absolutely bogus. The words they use are always hocus pocus, psychotherapy and feminist catchphrases that make no sense. The dangerous extension of the statue of limitation pushed by crazy liar Evan Rachel Wood (Amber Heard 2, Marilyn Manson is coming for you and justice will be served) is also a threat to democracy itself and it's spreading around the world pushed by extremist feminist groups.
Now all sexual acts are criminal by default unless, if sued, you prove yourself innocent or get extorted money by crazy entitled gold diggers. It's not how it's supposed to work but I guess for people with no education about the evolution of our societies, Age of Enlightenment and such... a witch hunt is the best way to handle things.
I'm sorry but after all the high profile cases regarding this me too wave, I absolutely do not believe a single word of these so called "victims". Something bad happens to you? Sue immediately like any person would do. If you don't do it, the whole society cannot disown its fundamental values and human rights to serve revenge for a small number of people who failed to use their rights according to the law.
Real people who are not celebrities with millions in the bank, are destroyed by this misandric, sexphobic culture. Entire families destroyed, houses stolen, jobs lost, kids being used as weapons, men vilified and women infantilised.
This has to change and guess what? NOT GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN SO!
California is a particularly puritanical and feminist country with silly and dangerous laws such as the age of consent set at 18 (lol wtf it automatically turns most young people into criminals for doing something beautilful and natural that PEOPLE WANT) and the "YES MEANS YES" bill which has been similarly passed in other countries as well like Spain and Denmark in EU. It's spreading like a disease. Thank goodness I'm gay and I don't have to put up with these crazy entitled feminists.
Basically today if you touch a pussy you're screwed.
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Post by aeroknows on Dec 31, 2022 9:35:51 GMT -5
Basically today if you touch a pussy you're screwed. oh, how many times I touched one and didn't get screwed! Growing pains... Seriously though, I couldn't agree more with all said here by pillis. This type of thinking is a huge concern for males on college campuses as well, and don't our kids have enough on their plates without this crap? That's not to say that I think an 11 or 12 year old should be covered by Yes means Yes laws but the intent of the "victim" absolutely needs to be considered. When I was 18(as was the drinking age) I knew precisely which bars would serve my underage dates. I brought them there because I was young and horny and deliberative in the way I operated. That is probably far worse than Steven's transgression. Time for me(and most any male that ever got laid in his car after a party somewhere) to lawyer up!
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Post by pillis on Dec 31, 2022 11:31:04 GMT -5
Basically today if you touch a pussy you're screwed. oh, how many times I touched one and didn't get screwed! Growing pains... Seriously though, I couldn't agree more with all said here by pillis. This type of thinking is a huge concern for males on college campuses as well, and don't our kids have enough on their plates without this crap? That's not to say that I think an 11 or 12 year old should be covered by Yes means Yes laws but the intent of the "victim" absolutely needs to be considered. When I was 18(as was the drinking age) I knew precisely which bars would serve my underage dates. I brought them there because I was young and horny and deliberative in the way I operated. That is probably far worse than Steven's transgression. Time for me(and most any male that ever got laid in his car after a party somewhere) to lawyer up! Of course it was a joke but seriously, with such laws and prude, bigot culture taking over, I'd be scared of vaginas for life. In all this I wonder, why don't sane women step into the conversation more? It's like they are depicted as brainless infants with no sexual needs or desires which is of course bogus after decades of sexual and anti-sexism revolutions. Guess history repeats itself in all sorts of scenarios and fields. Bring on the 50s again! I'm ready for a new Woodstock to defend the right to have bad and regretful sex without going to jail and being cancelled for it.
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Post by anaix3l on Dec 31, 2022 13:17:24 GMT -5
In all this I wonder, why don't sane women step into the conversation more? Here you go, I'm stepping into the conversation, but I can assure you you're not going to like what I have to say. The Me Too movement may have jumped the shark, but so have you. I absolutely do not believe a single word of these so called "victims". Something bad happens to you? Sue immediately like any person would do. If you don't do it, the whole society cannot disown its fundamental values and human rights to serve revenge for a small number of people who failed to use their rights according to the law. Read again what you've written, what's been written in this thread, the amount of vitriol and name calling directed at Julia. Or maybe you're so thick that it can't get through your skull that your kind of attitude is precisely why any woman would have massive doubts when it comes to just saying anything about something like this. Never mind suing, which comes with lots of ifs too. If you have the money to sue. If you even know who the fuck the dude is because do you think, if a dude comes from behind and slides his hand in between your legs, you're going to say excuse me, may I see your ID, I need to know your name in order to sue "like any person would do" according to pillis. If you even got to see what the dude looks like because that's gotta be your main worry, not getting the fuck away still alive. We had mandatory religion classes starting from third grade. Among the things we got told in those classes is we girls need to be careful. Careful what you wear, don't tempt men, dress modestly. Careful what you say, you never know how it could be interpreted. Careful where and when you go alone. Before you even hit puberty, it just gets drilled into you that if something happens to you, you're to blame. Your dress was too short, you were wearing high heels, your nails were done, you didn't properly signal you were the property of another man. Your parents tell you just don't come to me pregnant because I made you, I'll kill you if you bring this shame on our family. You try to tell a guy friend and the first question he asks is how short was your skirt... never mind it was -23°C and the only skin you're showing at that temperature is on your eyelids. Or why you didn't knock out the dude who groped you, when you weigh 45 kilos with boots on. A guy can't keep his hands off your boobs when you pass by him on the way back to the supermarket, nobody does anything, you growl at him and it's you who gets yelled at by the policemen nearby for disturbing peace because what did he do so bad? And you fucking seriously think any woman's conservation instinct will agree with her saying anything if something happens to her? Yeah, it becomes more likely to say something many years later, but it looks like when you do that, there are people like pillis, who clearly knows everything that's wrong or right. And that you're clearly lying if you didn't say something back when you were scared shitless that if anyone finds out, you'll be blamed and your boyfriend or your family will beat you to death. And btw, I don't even support this lawsuit or a lot of the extremist feminist ridiculousness. I'm just horrified at how hateful people can be. And very disappointed. Happy new year!
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Post by pillis on Dec 31, 2022 15:11:27 GMT -5
In all this I wonder, why don't sane women step into the conversation more? Here you go, I'm stepping into the conversation, but I can assure you you're not going to like what I have to say. The Me Too movement may have jumped the shark, but so have you. I absolutely do not believe a single word of these so called "victims". Something bad happens to you? Sue immediately like any person would do. If you don't do it, the whole society cannot disown its fundamental values and human rights to serve revenge for a small number of people who failed to use their rights according to the law. Read again what you've written, what's been written in this thread, the amount of vitriol and name calling directed at Julia. Or maybe you're so thick that it can't get through your skull that your kind of attitude is precisely why any woman would have massive doubts when it comes to just saying anything about something like this. Never mind suing, which comes with lots of ifs too. If you have the money to sue. If you even know who the fuck the dude is because do you think, if a dude comes from behind and slides his hand in between your legs, you're going to say excuse me, may I see your ID, I need to know your name in order to sue "like any person would do" according to pillis. If you even got to see what the dude looks like because that's gotta be your main worry, not getting the fuck away still alive. We had mandatory religion classes starting from third grade. Among the things we got told in those classes is we girls need to be careful. Careful what you wear, don't tempt men, dress modestly. Careful what you say, you never know how it could be interpreted. Careful where and when you go alone. Before you even hit puberty, it just gets drilled into you that if something happens to you, you're to blame. Your dress was too short, you were wearing high heels, your nails were done, you didn't properly signal you were the property of another man. Your parents tell you just don't come to me pregnant because I made you, I'll kill you if you bring this shame on our family. You try to tell a guy friend and the first question he asks is how short was your skirt... never mind it was -23°C and the only skin you're showing at that temperature is on your eyelids. Or why you didn't knock out the dude who groped you, when you weigh 45 kilos with boots on. A guy can't keep his hands off your boobs when you pass by him on the way back to the supermarket, nobody does anything, you growl at him and it's you who gets yelled at by the policemen nearby for disturbing peace because what did he do so bad? And you fucking seriously think any woman's conservation instinct will agree with her saying anything if something happens to her? Yeah, it becomes more likely to say something many years later, but it looks like when you do that, there are people like pillis, who clearly knows everything that's wrong or right. And that you're clearly lying if you didn't say something back when you were scared shitless that if anyone finds out, you'll be blamed and your boyfriend or your family will beat you to death. And btw, I don't even support this lawsuit or a lot of the extremist feminist ridiculousness. I'm just horrified at how hateful people can be. And very disappointed. Happy new year! I do understand the topic has become polarised but I'm tired of this and the constant vilifying of men. Gender double standard and sexism exist for BOTH sexes. It's not just little girls that are being brought up as little girls, it's little boys being brought up as men too, disposable, useless men that are going to do the hardest and most dangerous jobs, that are going to commit suicide, that are going to be homeless and have a shorter life expectancy and so on... everyone has struggles. We are all equal (or should be) in front of the law, I don't know what's wrong or right but I think it's right for a court to find someone guilty on the basis of EVIDENCE. I also recently lost a lawsuit even thought I knew I was the victim but I played by the rules, got a lousy lawyer and did some mistakes. I learned my lesson and moved on. Oh and this happened weeks after the alleged crime happened, not 48 fucking years ago. This is getting out of control and is not helping real victims who of course MUST BE HEARD and have all the respect and empathy in the world. I'm pissed at the broken laws and culture that's being promoted, not at real victims who hardly get any exposure tbh. Moreover, I'd like to point out that there's a increasing use of nonsensical words and concepts that have not been proven by science (such as repressed memory) which are making their ways into courts of law that must deal with facts, not feelings. If you feel you are traumatised by an event that is not a criminal act whatsoever you go and treat that psychosis with prescription medications and do not ask society to follow your rigid moral standards, that's what happened with religions in the past and liberal, secular democracies should not make the same mistake.
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Post by aerostooge on Dec 31, 2022 15:12:15 GMT -5
Yesterday's 'news'. Already been forgotten about. Even the most ardent gossipy types I know didn't mention it.
People now have the attention span of gnats. Only takes a couple of scrolls before they've found summat else to be outraged about. Idiots.
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Post by aeroluvr on Dec 31, 2022 16:24:28 GMT -5
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Post by petertherock on Dec 31, 2022 17:30:24 GMT -5
Steven is getting barbecued on twitter…but even with Elon owning twitter, it’s a most vile left wing crazy social media platform out there.
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Post by pillis on Dec 31, 2022 17:39:25 GMT -5
Twitter has always been a stupid platform, the character limit basically forces conversations to be brainless rants and statements, no matter left and right.
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Post by aerostooge on Dec 31, 2022 18:20:46 GMT -5
Steven is getting barbecued on twitter…but even with Elon owning twitter, it’s a most vile left wing crazy social media platform out there. Hahaha. Brilliant. I didn't realise Americans were this good at satire. Well done, mate.
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Post by VoodooMedicineMan on Dec 31, 2022 18:44:29 GMT -5
What is odd her and her husband are living in Texas but yet she filed in CA (because of the statute of limitations lift) - wonder why that is even allowed? Looking past the frivolous nature of the allegations, that alone should be enough for Steven's lawyers to get the case tossed. California really only has jurisdiction over events that happened in California. Civil cases have a little more gray area, but the suit lists a bunch of events taking place in other states. Steven lived in Boston, and perhaps New Hampshire back in 73 which both have (and had) an age of consent of 16, so he wasn't breaking any laws there. And I do get that this is a serious topic. There are a lot legitimate victims of sexual assault, abuse, and harassment. I fully support any laws to strengthen women's rights against unwanted touching, advances or any type of predatory acts. However, here I'm only commenting on 'Diana's' comments, which I feel make of mockery of real victims everywhere.
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Post by petertherock on Dec 31, 2022 21:43:04 GMT -5
What is odd her and her husband are living in Texas but yet she filed in CA (because of the statute of limitations lift) - wonder why that is even allowed? Looking past the frivolous nature of the allegations, that alone should be enough for Steven's lawyers to get the case tossed. California really only has jurisdiction over events that happened in California. Civil cases have a little more gray area, but the suit lists a bunch of events taking place in other states. Steven lived in Boston, and perhaps New Hampshire back in 73 which both have (and had) an age of consent of 16, so he wasn't breaking any laws there. And I do get that this is a serious topic. There are a lot legitimate victims of sexual assault, abuse, and harassment. I fully support any laws to strengthen women's rights against unwanted touching, advances or any type of predatory acts. However, here I'm only commenting on 'Diana's' comments, which I feel make of mockery of real victims everywhere. But if the supposed sexual assaults happened in CA…then CA would have jurisdiction on the case. I think she lived in Portland OR at the time, so it’s not impossible that Steven took her to CA.
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Post by VoodooMedicineMan on Dec 31, 2022 23:37:06 GMT -5
But if the supposed sexual assaults happened in CA…then CA would have jurisdiction on the case. I think she lived in Portland OR at the time, so it’s not impossible that Steven took her to CA. Possibly, but I think the transgressions in California would have to be greater than just the age difference. Neither one was a resident of California at the time, and in the states Steven resided (MA & NH), the age of consent was 16. Both those facts will matter with regards to states rights and overreach. I didn't read through the whole filing, but nothing in the summary mentions anything taking place in California that would justify the trial should take place. You can never completely rule out an activist judge letting this move forward, but the appeals circuit corrects those things. The gold digger (I'll go a little easier on her for you anaix3l ) claims to initially have met Steven in Portland Oregon when she was 16. She was underage then and the age of consent in Oregon was 18. However, the statue of limitations is 6 years, so only 43 years too late on that one. Most of the juicy details take place in Massachusetts, which is where the trial should take place. Does she accuse Ray Tabano of attempted murder here? She certainly seems to imply it.
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