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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 21:04:12 GMT -5
What the fuck. I loved Clinton. I think he made people feel good and I believe that is the best, and maybe only real thing, a president can do to cheerlead the country to succeed. I remember as Bush 41 got elected he made some comment before he took office, saying the economy was trashed in some manner. I thought what the hell is he talking about. Then the tech bubble popped and things got bad before he even took office. It really seemed to correlate and no one was even talking about it. It was just one speech.
Obama. He talked transparency and I fell for it. Twice.
This video is old. i just saw it a few days ago and it also opened up the movie America in theaters now. I about walked out of the movie but glad I stayed. It got really "Fox News" at the very end which I did not like even though I don't mind Fox.
It is like he is trying to cut the balls off all the children and people who will take risk and make themselves better. Then are making consumer goods in some country, might as well be here. But for the leader of our nation to take the piss out of entrepreneurship like this is like what i hear some coaches are saying to teams.......winning does not matter. You might think he is joking. Being sarcastic. Maybe the whole video is not here, which it isn't, but this really is his point. It is not impossible to succeed starting a business. Not even sure if it is hard to succeed. You just need to make sure you know your shit well. But one thing you find out very quickly is that you are VERY alone. As you get money you hire people, employees, advertisers, suppliers, tech people.......but they do not work for free and they shouldn't. That our current POTUS is uttering these words makes me believe he should resign. You can't get impeached for looking at the men and women who built America and saying they are no better than anyone else. Business people. Fathers. Mothers. Teachers. Anyone who strives to be better. How does it help us to have him say this. Who is he saying it for?
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Post by gwb on Jul 12, 2014 11:56:19 GMT -5
He's the most arrogant bastard I have ever seen. However, his smile and smooth talking are able to convince many folks to vote for him. I personally voted Republican both times since it was clear to me that he wants a society where everybody is almost equal. That means people who work hard and are successful financing those who are not. And there will be more of those to finance since he won't close the border. His argument about pending immigration legislation already in Congress is crazy. As an analogy, he is likening how to seal a hole in the roof (short-term issue, although it's been dragging on for some time) to how to best remodel the house (long-term issue).
I will say this. He would be great as a motivational speaker or used car salesman since he has the ability to inspire many with his words. However, when the rubber meets the road, he does not have the ability to manage successfully a lemonade stand. And he's arrogant enough to claim he has all the answers, but then will always blame somebody or anybody else when things go wrong. Unlike a true leader, he takes no accountability for anything and demonstrates no ability to compromise or to reach a consensus.
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Post by petertherock on Jul 13, 2014 17:57:05 GMT -5
The only reason this guy got elected (besides dead people voting for him) is because he's black. It's the same reason why he won't get impeached even though he has committed much worse crimes than Nixon ever thought of. You also have spineless RINO's that only make a show of being against Obama but there all in a club where each side switches power every few years. With the exception of a very few Republicans like Rand Paul and people of his kind, the Republicans don't want smaller government. They just want to have the power of the majority.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 19:15:47 GMT -5
This is why I voted for him. Also I believe if people are excited about a president then the economy will get better. 10000 page Obamacare bill passed before 1000s of pages were even written, let alone putting ANY bill or Obamacare online 5 days for people to view. He is a liar. They all are shit. Republicans and Democrats. Boehner was elected to work with Obama, and vice versa. They all need to control their shit and act like the elected officials they should be. I love the "I am ready to to act on the border, quit playing politics" crap Obama is saying. Sure, "YOU quit playing politics and send me my $4billion in pork money that does not have much to do with the border." How is that not politics and is the general population so dumb to fall for this shit? Yes, go read Huffington Post for an hour. It is unbelievable. From what I understand we can't legally send these people away as a bill was passed by all concerned or a magic Obama pen bill was passed and they get due process now. I hate them all.
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Post by petertherock on Jul 13, 2014 19:48:52 GMT -5
I can see people getting duped by 0 in the first term, but if you voted for him in the 2nd term you get what you got. Conservatives were warning everyone in 2008 what Obama was all about, most of the time using 0's own words. When he said he was going to "fundamentally transform America" what did you think he was going to do? He was going to destroy the country.
Now this idiot is sending letters to the troops in Afghanistan that once they get home they are out of the military because he's downsizing the military. He's getting this country ripe for an invasion by our enemies and this massive illegal immigrant invasion is just the start.
How does the song lyric go? "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you always get...could that be nothing?" Keep electing the same idiots and you'll get the same old same old.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 20:09:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I was a fool both times. But there were only idiots on the ballots.
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Post by petertherock on Jul 14, 2014 17:37:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I was a fool both times. But there were only idiots on the ballots. True that. Although I will say Romney would have been a lot better than this guy. At least Romney has successfully ran a business and had a real job unlike the community organizer. That said, I really hope Romney doesn't run again, otherwise you can say hello to Hitlery Clinton. Hitlery is the only one that I can honestly say could be worse than Obama...although Elizabeth Warren or should I say the fake Indian Liawatha could be worse than either of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:02:57 GMT -5
since1976: You are correct...BOTH sides are loaded with self serving idiots. Neither the R's or the D's could give a flying fuck about the people of this country. The R's are only doing what the D's did to Bush...and it will continue (cycling to by who is in control) because we have a nation with people who only see those two letters, then vote according to who has what letter behind their name. Romney would have been as bad as Obama..look at his health care law in MA, which Obamacare was fashioned after.
None of those elected today have honored our Constitution...and it gets worse with each election cycle. It is not about the people, it is about what they can get in the end run from cowing to special interest including lobbyists for corps. And until more and more people wake up and realize they are losing rights and liberties because we have self serving asses running this country doing as they wish, not the work of the people, we will continue down a slippery slope of crap with us on the losing end.
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Post by petertherock on Jul 14, 2014 22:48:38 GMT -5
If you think Romney would have rammed an Obamacare like bill down our throats like the Democrats did you are sadly mistaken. Not one Republican in either the House or Senate voted for Obamacare. Not even the liberal Republicans like Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe voted for Obamacare. The only way they got Obamacare passed was by using trickery. If you think Romney would have done that you are sadly mistaken and naive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 5:39:17 GMT -5
If you think Romney would have rammed an Obamacare like bill down our throats like the Democrats did you are sadly mistaken. Not one Republican in either the House or Senate voted for Obamacare. Not even the liberal Republicans like Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe voted for Obamacare. The only way they got Obamacare passed was by using trickery. If you think Romney would have done that you are sadly mistaken and naive. You can spin ALL you want, Daryl. Bottom Line: Obamacare is a version of Romney's plan. It was laughable how Romney tried like hell in 2012 to distance himself from this...but those without party blinders SAW it was practically the same plan shoved at us. Showing that there IS no real difference between R and D in the end. Want to go on? Just like the "outrage" on the left about spying on Americans when Bush was President and the right stood the line "national security". Well now the LEFT supports it with Obama in office and the right is outraged...hmmmm. Just like the R's were not angry when Bush used Signing statements to do things and the left was...now the left supports Obama's use of them and the Right is outraged.... www.diffen.com/difference/Obamacare_vs_Romneycare
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Post by petertherock on Jul 15, 2014 7:59:42 GMT -5
The difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is Romneycare is run by the state...not the feds. If you think Romney would have passed a law like Obamacare then you're an idiot. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR OBAMACARE. That's a fact. As for the NSA spying...at least when Bush was doing it he wasn't listening to American citizens. This guy is listening and recording everybody. Of course you didn't even mention the IRS scandal. No President has ever done anything like that. Nixon tried it but the IRS told him to get bent. Obama is using the IRS to go after his political enemies. He deliberately did this to affect the election results. If Bush had done that he would have been impeached within a week. Nixon was forced to resign after he attempted to do this! Now it's "Oops! We lost the e-mails!" Someone should be in prison for this and not just Louis Learner. This goes all the way to the top and I don't mean the top of the IRS...I mean the top of the White House. Then you have the VA scandal which is probably the worst of them all. Veterans who fought for our country have died because Obama likes giving his buddies jobs who aren't qualified for anything. Now, political appointments have always been given to friends and supporters of the President...but usually the people they choose are actually qualified for the job. Not so with this guy. People died because this coward is more interested in playing a round of golf than he is in actually taking charge. All these scandals and things that have happened during his watch and all he says is "I heard about it on the news!" Either he is grossly incompetent or he's a serial liar or likely both. The one promise he did keep was to pull the troops out of Iraq and look where that's got us. Al Qaeda is taking over Iraq and once again Obama's at the golf course. He is doing the same thing in Afghanistan where he's set deadlines of troop withdrawals and Al Qaeda is just waiting for the day we leave to go back in and take the country over just like Iraq. Obama's own generals requested the number of troops they needed to win the battle and Obama only gave them half of what they wanted. Obama called that compromise. You don't compromise when it comes to giving military generals what they need to fight and win. That's how more people die. You do realize that more troops were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan after 5 years than almost 8 years of President Bush? As for the executive orders, sure Bush used them. But Bush didn't sign them when Congress was in session. The Supreme Court slapped Obama for that one. All this being said, I will agree with you that the Republican establishment and Democrat establishment are one in the same. Sure they may have their little disagreements on issues that are for show more than anything but look what happens when an actual conservative tries to take one of the RINO establishment people out. They ask Democrats to go out and lie for them and pass out papers saying the conservative wants to take away the rights of blacks to vote. Here's the link for that one... www.teapartypatriotscitizensfund.com/news/mississippi/I am still pissed at what Romney and the Republican establishment did to Ron Paul at the convention. He won enough states to at least get to have a speech and our own delegation from here in Maine (a state that Ron Paul won in) blocked Ron Paul's delegates from being seated because they changed the laws right during the convention. This is cronyism at it's best. It wasn't like the Ron Paul delegates would have been a threat to Romney. There weren't enough of them. They just wanted to be seated like they should have been and they wanted a chance for their voices to be heard. But the GOP establishment would have none of that! The problem is the Democrat party has moved so far to the left towards communism/socialism and the Republican establishment has moved to the left to the point where the R's are just like the D's used to be. So then you have the Tea Party conservatives who actually want to follow the Constitution and the rule of law they seem like they are way radically right. Since when did supporting the Constitution and the Founding Fathers of the country become radical? But now if you mention following the Constitution the Obama administration wants to put you on the terrorist watch list and have the IRS go after you. Which brings me to the big one. The invasion of illegal immigrants into this country. This is the issue that will put the final nail in the coffin of this once great country. All these kids are coming across the border thanks to the President and who knows what kind of diseases they are bring over with them. So now we have to feed, house and give them medical, education and who knows what kind of welfare they will get and all Obama wants is billions more dollars which we don't have and he's still not fixing the border. You put the military on the border and seal it off. Anyone who attempts to cross the border gets turned around and sent back. You put triple fencing in the areas that it's feasible to do so with the middle fence being electrified with plenty of warning signs both in English and Spanish and the outer fences being barbed wire. You cut off all welfare benefits to illegals which is actually already a federal law that many states are violating. All you do is cut off all federal funds to states that give illegals welfare. You go after the employers that are hiring illegals and first offense is heavy fines and after that is jail time. You do this and all those millions of illegals that both parties tell us we can't just deport, will leave on their own. But securing the border is the first issue you deal with. Without that, if you grant amnesty to anyone you will just have millions more surging across just like what happened when Reagan gave them amnesty. And both sides are guilty on this one. You have John McShame and Lindsey Grahmnesty on the R's side that are beating the drums for amnesty right along with the Democrats.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 8:32:25 GMT -5
WOW WOW WOW!! One) Romneycare and Obamacare are almost one in the same. I do not give a flying shit how you want to spin it. It was the FIRST push to National Health Care. Which is WHY Romney tried like hell to distance himself from it. HE damned well KNOWS he began the ball rolling to where we are today. Lordy you are a sheep. 2) The NSA Spying BEGAN under Bush. You better pay better attention to things. kdvr.com/2013/12/21/declassified-documents-show-nsa-spying-started-under-bush-grew-under-obama/ (Fox News baby) 3) R's and D's are ONE in the same when you boil it down. Problem with America is this: That people like you buy into the bullshit they are different. Not when you boil it all down. NEITHER side gives a flying shit about you or me OR following their oaths they took when they were sworn in. In the end, they BOTH sides do the same things...wake the hell up. You love that R behind a name just because they say what YOU want to hear but they do nothing different than the other side. Pay attention, BE proactive and LOOK at all sides and into issues beyond what you are being spoon fed by the powers that be.
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Post by petertherock on Jul 15, 2014 14:22:02 GMT -5
I guess you failed reading comprehension so I will leave you alone on this. Since apparently you didn't read that I actually agree with you that the R's and D's are the same on most issues...although they do have some important differences...but not many. There are a few Republicans that believe in following the Constitution. Unfortunately they are in the minority and are shot down by their own party. I gave Rand Paul as an example. There are others like him but not many.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 15:16:42 GMT -5
Daryl did say that. The only difference is Republicans sit there and pray the democrats will throw trillions at anything except: military, infrastructure and schools....only things the feds should tax or pay for, so that the republicans can save face and not do it themselves.
Watch, Obama will get his $4billion for God knows what from republicans and the children and their parents will be absorbed into the country at a cost to the states.
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Post by petertherock on Jul 15, 2014 16:02:30 GMT -5
Daryl did say that. The only difference is Republicans sit there and pray the democrats will throw trillions at anything except: military, infrastructure and schools....only things the feds should tax or pay for, so that the republicans can save far and not do it themselves. Watch, Obama will get his $4billion for God knows what from republicans and the children and their parents will be absorbed into the country at a cost to the states. Yeah....because if God forbid the R's don't give the trillions to Obama that means they hate the children and want to eat them or something.
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