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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 21:11:56 GMT -5
Pillis, with the history of your own country......the Romans and the vast nation they built, and lost. The United States, UK and Russia making sure there was a Italy in recent decades. It surprises me what you are saying. I am not a history major, but click on this and you will get dizzy by how many times the land under Israel has changed hands. www.contenderministries.org/middleeast/timeline.phpEven the United States. The English came and took a lot of it from Indians. Different indian nations had the land before and it was taken from them. Before that Russians, Japan, or cavemen? Who knows. I hope at your age you still believe in a utopia. But man will be man and they will always take land they want and they will keep it as long as they protect it. AND since every nation on earth right now took their land from someone else NO ONE can bitch. Israel is surrounded by nations who want it gone. They are complete idiots to not be done with Gaza, the close to home threat. How about ISIS takes over Rome and sets up shop. I am certain some how, some way we can trace portions of ISIS back to where their ancestry once owned that land. |
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Post by petertherock on Aug 4, 2014 7:49:15 GMT -5
Listen to this girl...she explains everything really well...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 12:11:04 GMT -5
I heard someone in the media recently say that Gaza could have been the next silicon valley, but instead.......
I think just saying they could have chose to succeed instead of going the "victim" and terrorist route.
What if any given indian reservation chose to shoot missiles into Minneapolis, or Rapid City? They would be finished off in a couple hours.
Is the US not holding on to the fact if Iran or someone else gets nukes in the middle east Israel will finish them off saving us from doing it? What she is saying in the video is pointless. Its propaganda that will never change what people seem to want to believe. If they got rid of Gaza people would forget and move on to next weeks issue. I always got the impression Israelis were smart and advanced in protecting themselves. BE DONE WITH IT ALREADY!
"What if any given indian reservation chose to shoot missiles into Minneapolis, or Rapid City? They would be finished off in a couple hours."
Sorry, I forgot who is president and who leads congress and the house. They wouldn't want to possibly hurt any indian children AND we did steal their land, so the dudes say, wouldn't want another Waco, Ruby Ridge, or any other situation where stupid people do stupid things to get themselves killed, there would be an acceptable level of non reservation children who are getting killed by missiles from reservations to Washington DC. So the missiles would be allowed to fly for a decade or two. Example, IE. I have NOTHING against American Indians or Indian reservations. $Billion settlements for supposed land stolen, yeah, problem there.
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Post by pillis on Aug 4, 2014 12:48:19 GMT -5
No one is asking what's the origin of the conflict...what the girl says about Hamas is indeed true but did she ask herself why Hamas exists? Why always more and more palestian people follow hamas (which is not the government of palestine!) Did we even count how many deads their missles have done in comparison to Israelian attacks? She even says that the media are with Hamas c'mon! She cleary doesn't know what she's talking about. About the roman empire conquering the world or the british invading america and killing the indians or any other conquest took place on earth... they happened long ago, when human kind was discovering the world, there wasn't the possibility to talk and deeply understand each others, there wasn't internet, fast information... When the jews first came to Palestine, Hamas and terrorism didn't even exist but obviously they became violent because of the occupation. Why in gaza there are so many hamas supporters? Maybe because people is ignorant, afraid, brain-washed (they do the same in israel actually and there's no much free information) and poor? Hamas does not represent the palestin population, it's a violent organisation which thanks to Israel is thriving. It's like to say: all Italian people are "mafiosi" because the Mafia born years and years ago when our government could't operate in some territories...so because of a political and social problem (caused by the government) the Mafia came in and started to thrive...same thing for Hamas. I do agree that this Hamas problem has to be solved but if Israel caused it, it simply cannot keep on killing and bombarding because that's not the solution...this is genocide, this is a holocaust....someone should solve the israel problem as well! This is the palestine map, you can see how the land distribuition changed dramatically in 1947 with the resolution 181 and after that, Israel kept on expanding violeting human rights, ONU's resolutions and it NEVER stated its own borders: www.juancole.com/images-ext/2010/03/map-story-of-palestinian-nationhood.jpgI suggest you to see the movie: "Lemon Tree", it's an Israelian movie which deals with the communication problems and walls (both physical and intellectual) that there are between the two populations. "Private" is also another movie which shows how israeli soldiers occupy palestinian's houses and it explains why people become violent in such situations. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 13:02:59 GMT -5
No one is asking what's the origin of the conflict...what the girl says about Hamas is indeed true but did she ask herself why Hamas exists? Why always more and more palestian people follow hamas (which is not the government of palestine!) Did we even count how many deads their missles have done in comparison to Israelian attacks? She even says that the media are with Hamas c'mon! She cleary doesn't know what she's talking about. About the roman empire conquering the world or the british invading america and killing the indians or any other conquest took place on earth... they happened long ago, when human kind was discovering the world, there wasn't the possibility to talk and deeply understand each others, there wasn't internet, fast information... When the jews first came to Palestine, Hamas and terrorism didn't even exist but obviously they became violent because of the occupation. Why in gaza there are so many hamas supporters? Maybe because people is ignorant, afraid, brain-washed (they do the same in israel actually and there's no much free information) and poor? Hamas does not represent the palestin population, it's a violent organisation which thanks to Israel is thriving. It's like to say: all Italian people are "mafiosi" because the Mafia born years and years ago when our government could't operate in some territories...so because of a political and social problem (caused by the government) the Mafia came in and started to thrive...same thing for Hamas. I do agree that this Hamas problem has to be solved but if Israel caused it, it simply cannot keep on killing and bombarding because that's not the solution...this is genocide, this is a holocaust....someone should solve the israel problem as well! This is the palestine map, you can see how the land distribuition changed dramatically in 1947 with the resolution 181 and after that, Israel kept on expanding violeting human rights, ONU's resolutions and it NEVER stated its own borders: www.juancole.com/images-ext/2010/03/map-story-of-palestinian-nationhood.jpgI suggest you to see the movie: "Lemon Tree", it's an Israelian movie which deals with the communication problems and walls (both physical and intellectual) that there are between the two populations. "Private" is also another movie which shows how israeli soldiers occupy palestinian's houses and it explains why people become violent in such situations. Sorry to inform you of this but todays events will someday be "long ago" and if the internet will accomplish anything it will be more strife, wars and discontent. People get evil much quicker and create a mob mentality. Look back at what happened with Russia and Crimea. If Putin is actually so evil and expansionist is it really best he is attacked but eh worlds leaders on twitter and the media like a bunch of locust? He can destory the world in 15 minutes and anything else he wants to a lesser extent of damage to anyone. The issue at hand is the solution for Israel today. They have nothing to lose by ending their current fight with Gaza for good. Moving it and its people a 100 miles away creating a more acceptable buffer. The issue is never who occupied what is Israel yesterday, or who will occupy it tomorrow. Yes, I get all that stuff matter to who is losing the battle, who has lost the territory. "I suggest you to see the movie: "Lemon Tree", it's an Israelian movie which deals with the communication problems and walls (both physical and intellectual) that there are between the two populations. "Private" is also another movie which shows how israeli soldiers occupy palestinian's houses and it explains why people become violent in such situations." Fantastic. I can watch the movies and learn that oppressed people, under someones thumb are unhappy. Israel must keep them under their thumb because they are led by people who do not want them to grow as a community and think about anything but their hate for Israel. The movies would prove to me that palestinians should be marched out of Israel. |
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Post by pillis on Aug 4, 2014 13:07:31 GMT -5
You shouln't trust an "historical timeline" which starts with the bible and Mose -.- Then there's a lot missing in the 1900s, it talks obviously just about small arabic riots (the WIDESPREAD VIOLENCE "intifada" was actually a pathetic and symbolic riots done with small stones. It doesn't talk about the attacks and operations made by Israel which actually killed thousends of people, destroyed villages, schools, hospitals, built up walls around schools and water supplies, destroyed farmlands....it's cleary partisan and unreliable. |
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Post by pillis on Aug 4, 2014 13:17:54 GMT -5
I don't have nothing more to say, destruction is not the answer...we'll se what will happen in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 14:26:53 GMT -5
I don't have nothing more to say, destruction is not the answer...we'll se what will happen in the future. Fair enough. |
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