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Post by AeroCooper on Aug 11, 2021 15:14:30 GMT -5
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Post by tomhamilton on Aug 11, 2021 17:03:43 GMT -5
The good old days when they still cared about engaging and attracting fans to listen to them and their new music. It's been almost a decade since that.
MFAD is a weird album. When it first came out I loved it, but in time, it lost it's magic and ended up being a kind of "meh" album. There are some good tunes in there (Oh Yeah, Street Jesus, Sunny Side Of Love) but some of them are shameful (Something, Beautiful, Can't Stop Loving You).
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Post by nevada5 on Aug 11, 2021 17:25:28 GMT -5
TomHamilton, you're right, it is a "meh" album, with a few good gems. Seeing this did make me want to listen again.
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Post by krawhitham222 on Aug 11, 2021 21:49:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't call any of the songs shameful. That's abdicating your own responsibility; it's not that *you* don't like them, it's that *they* are bad. It's a way to feel better about yourself for not liking something, to say there's something wrong with the songs themselves.
I quite like Something and Beautiful. Something reminds me of the sloppy kind of rock that Steven would've heard Joe play with The Jam Band at The Barn before Aerosmith existed. And I like that Steven's on drums (if I recall correctly, that is). Beautiful is batshit crazy and dissonant and a weird mix of styles and I really like it for that. I think it has a great chorus.
I definitely don't care for some songs on the album, but whatever songs I don't like, someone else does. So no harm done. In the end I think there's a pretty strong 7-9 song album hidden in there, and that's good enough for me.
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Post by tomhamilton on Aug 12, 2021 9:30:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't call any of the songs shameful. That's abdicating your own responsibility; it's not that *you* don't like them, it's that *they* are bad. It's a way to feel better about yourself for not liking something, to say there's something wrong with the songs themselves. What I meant with "shameful" was more in the terms of "ok, let's throw in a song of every music genre, so that way we will include everyone and the album will be huge", but in the end, the album has no cohesion whatsoever, it's just that, a bunch of songs put together that don't work as a whole, it doesn't follow a line in terms of sound. It's rock-pop-protools and effects-some 70s sound-ballad-country-Joe Perry mumbling vocals (I never understood the words in "Something", seriously)-ballad-rocker-pop ballad tune again. It's all over the place, and in doing that, they lost the way. Perhaps if they released MFAD with 10 well thought and cohesive songs instead of 15, it would have reached the public in a better way. It's not that I dislike the album, but I don't like it as much as when it came out. There are songs that I don't listen to anymore.
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Post by aerozhul on Aug 15, 2021 23:24:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't call any of the songs shameful. That's abdicating your own responsibility; it's not that *you* don't like them, it's that *they* are bad. It's a way to feel better about yourself for not liking something, to say there's something wrong with the songs themselves. What I meant with "shameful" was more in the terms of "ok, let's throw in a song of every music genre, so that way we will include everyone and the album will be huge", but in the end, the album has no cohesion whatsoever, it's just that, a bunch of songs put together that don't work as a whole, it doesn't follow a line in terms of sound. It's rock-pop-protools and effects-some 70s sound-ballad-country-Joe Perry mumbling vocals (I never understood the words in "Something", seriously)-ballad-rocker-pop ballad tune again. It's all over the place, and in doing that, they lost the way. Perhaps if they released MFAD with 10 well thought and cohesive songs instead of 15, it would have reached the public in a better way. It's not that I dislike the album, but I don't like it as much as when it came out. There are songs that I don't listen to anymore. Very well said, sums up my feelings about MFAD almost exactly.
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Post by SaintChrisBeCool on Aug 16, 2021 23:06:34 GMT -5
My enjoyment of this album has definitely waned a bit over the years. Like the rest of you said, the biggest issue is its lack of cohesiveness. Nowadays if I'm ever in the mood for a song on MFAD, it's just one and done, because most of the songs don't sound like they go together. I like "Beautiful" and "Out Go The Lights" a lot, but they both sound like they're on completely different albums.
Say what you want about Steven Tyler's solo pursuits, but I think "We're All Somebody From Somewhere" is a MUCH stronger album overall than "Music From Another Dimension." I thought that when Tyler's disc first came out, and five years later it's even more apparent. Much stronger to me in terms of lyrics, music, AND production.
There are definitely a couple I skip every time on "We're All Somebody," but overall its a lot more original, a lot more interesting, and a lot more cohesive, despite the fact that it too sort of has something for everyone. But it ebbs and flows a lot better so its not a problem.
"Only Heaven" sounds more like one of the huge late 80s/early 90s Aerosmith ballads than anything on MFAD did.
Or imagine a heavy, progressive 2021 Aerosmith album that sounds like "Hold On"?
EDIT: One last thing and then I'll shut up. There were also a LOT of motives behind MFAD. "Need to strike with the American Idol iron is hot." "Need to finish our contract with Columbia." "Need to give the fans new music since its been more than a decade." "Need to satisfy a generation of brand NEW fans." "Need some radio hits (as always)."
On Tyler's solo effort? It was "I wanna make a country-tinged album, and I wanna do it my way." Adding on the "need a hit" clause isn't nearly as tall of an order without the rest of the rules.
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Post by pillis on Aug 19, 2021 4:40:23 GMT -5
It's a very good album. Just too long and messy with a bad tracklist order there was enough material for 2 albums.
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Post by darkpoet on Aug 22, 2021 2:41:18 GMT -5
I never loved it. It pains me to say it, but MFAD is one of their worst studio albums for me. This was a classic case of a little something for everyone, which pleases no one to a full extent. It smells of obligation the way they 'emptied the closet'. Plus, it suggests they didn't care about putting the best cuts on and leaving weaker stuff off the album. No matter how good a band is, there are going to be songs that are not up to the 'bar' they set. I just felt like they should have made this album 10 songs and left off the Underwood/Warren/experimentation stuff. Other than his voiceovers to begin and end the album, one would never know Jack Douglas was even in the studio producing this time.
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Post by aerozhul on Aug 22, 2021 20:19:15 GMT -5
I never loved it. It pains me to say it, but MFAD is one of their worst studio albums for me. This was a classic case of a little something for everyone, which pleases no one to a full extent. It smells of obligation the way they 'emptied the closet'. Plus, it suggests they didn't care about putting the best cuts on and leaving weaker stuff off the album. No matter how good a band is, there are going to be songs that are not up to the 'bar' they set. I just felt like they should have made this album 10 songs and left off the Underwood/Warren/experimentation stuff. Other than his voiceovers to begin and end the album, one would never know Jack Douglas was even in the studio producing this time. I also think it was very telling that they barely played any of the tracks from this album live - kinda shows how much they cared about this material.
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Post by tomhamilton on Aug 25, 2021 8:43:23 GMT -5
I never loved it. It pains me to say it, but MFAD is one of their worst studio albums for me. This was a classic case of a little something for everyone, which pleases no one to a full extent. It smells of obligation the way they 'emptied the closet'. I also think it was very telling that they barely played any of the tracks from this album live - kinda shows how much they cared about this material. Exactly!! I saw them on 2013, almost a year after MFAD was released, they only played "Oh Yeah". And I think after the "Global Warming tour" they discarded any song off MFAD from their setlists.
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Post by pillis on Aug 25, 2021 15:50:23 GMT -5
I wish they played legendary child, another last goodbye, tell me, something and maybe a long jam during out go the lights
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Post by Alicanto on Aug 25, 2021 20:36:59 GMT -5
I never loved it. It pains me to say it, but MFAD is one of their worst studio albums for me. This was a classic case of a little something for everyone, which pleases no one to a full extent. It smells of obligation the way they 'emptied the closet'. Plus, it suggests they didn't care about putting the best cuts on and leaving weaker stuff off the album. No matter how good a band is, there are going to be songs that are not up to the 'bar' they set. I just felt like they should have made this album 10 songs and left off the Underwood/Warren/experimentation stuff. Other than his voiceovers to begin and end the album, one would never know Jack Douglas was even in the studio producing this time. I also think it was very telling that they barely played any of the tracks from this album live - kinda shows how much they cared about this material. Actually, I think they were somewhat proud of this album. They were let down by the fans' response after the hours of work put into it. They may have wanted to play more of the tracks live, but prioritized the fans' opinions first, and stuck with the classics. Even Just Push Play and Honkin' On Bobo, which some consider mediocre efforts, had a good chunk of their songs played live. Some people loved it and some people hated it, but they still stuck it on the setlist. There are some gems on MFAD that deserved to be performed at least once or twice. I just wish they had the balls to do it at the time.
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Post by ap on Aug 26, 2021 11:12:14 GMT -5
I also think it was very telling that they barely played any of the tracks from this album live - kinda shows how much they cared about this material. Exactly!! I saw them on 2013, almost a year after MFAD was released, they only played "Oh Yeah". And I think after the "Global Warming tour" they discarded any song off MFAD from their setlists. Count your blessings. At least you got Oh Yeah. I like that tune. In '14, My only witnessed MFAD song was Freedom Fighter. 🤮 That's a terrible Joe song, and even weaker live. If I recall, Joe mumbled "Well, that sucked." at the end. He was right. Thankfully, they more than made up for it with an extended Rats jam that night. Like Pepto on an upset tummy.
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Post by cmac on Aug 26, 2021 17:55:39 GMT -5
Exactly!! I saw them on 2013, almost a year after MFAD was released, they only played "Oh Yeah". And I think after the "Global Warming tour" they discarded any song off MFAD from their setlists. Count your blessings. At least you got Oh Yeah. I like that tune. In '14, My only witnessed MFAD song was Freedom Fighter. 🤮 That's a terrible Joe song, and even weaker live. If I recall, Joe mumbled "Well, that sucked." at the end. He was right. Thankfully, they more than made up for it with an extended Rats jam that night. Like Pepto on an upset tummy. I liked Something much better
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