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Post by seangod on Nov 9, 2014 14:49:13 GMT -5
I am glad they released new music. It was refreshing to hear new Aerosmith even though it was not as great as I hoped it would be. Two years later, I rarely listen to it, but when I do I enjoy a few songs. Let's hope they do try to release some more new music in the future.
Luv XXX- Had potential but the vocals killed it. Oh Yeah- Good but kinda boring after awhile. I like it live. Beautiful- Weird Tell Me- I really like this one. Great effort by Tom. Out Go The Lights- Good jam. Roses are red part does not fit in the song. Legendary Child- I liked it, it fell flat live though. The reason it fell flat live, imo, was because they put it near the end of the set. It should have been in the second or third slot. What Could Have Been Love- Ehh... Attempt of a hit that failed. Street Jesus- Terrible. I think the corny lyrics ruined a guitar heavy song. Can't Stop Lovin' You- Another failed attempt of a hit. Lover Alot- I like it. Joey's drums are killer. We All Fall Down- Ehh... Failed attempt of a hit. Freedom Fighter- Thought it was cool live. Drums and guitar are killer. Lyrics are weird, but I kinda like them. Closer- Very strange. Did not sound like Aerosmith to me. Something- Really really bad. Guitar and drums are interesting, though. Another Last Goodbye- Awesome, great ballad to end a record. Just like YSMC, Home Tonight, or What It Takes.
The record was all out of order, they tried too hard, and they put too many songs on the album. If there is a next time they need to just start fresh locked in a room with a pad of paper and a pen with a couple of guitars, basses, keyboards, and a set of drums.
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Post by pillis on Nov 12, 2014 7:56:04 GMT -5
Needless to say that I don't agree with many of you. I get your points but frankly I think that you are just too harsh on this band. WCHBL is a great ballad, I got chills when I heard the lyrics. Probably you've never been truly in love or you've never lost someone dear...Steven's interpretation is magical. Musically it is just as sweet. Yes it's not a Dream On but I wouln't mind hearing this song live instead of IDWTMA or Living On The Edge for a change. Then I read lots of negative comments on Legendary's Child lyrics which are not only the best lyrics on MFAD but some of the best Aerosmith's lyrics in general. They're so insipiring and moving and those whoa whoa...c'mon they've alway had those kinds of catchy things even back in the 70s. I bet that the same people who are bitching about these vocals are the first to headbang and sing along to Elevetor's ooooh, oooh yeaaah. Jeez it's just rock n roll, lyrics aren't that important most of the time and I don't know what else rich people in their 60s who have been living the american dream for the last 40 years could possibly say on a song. Oh Yeah is another amazing rock song...yeah the main subject is loving a lady so what? It has really good lyrics and it flows perfectly, the bridge is amazing: there was never a doubt just the sudden embrace...it's nice. I think that people are creative when young, then you naturally get conservative with time, especially if you keep a similar routine year after year as Aerosmith (touring, touring...tourning touring...yeah touring and touring again). But yeah, overall the lyrics on MFAD are kind of boring and predictable but I think that musically it's a more than good album and I actually heared passion and emotion on most of the tracks, even the "sappy" ballads which are perfectly executed and extremely well done. Maybe you should listen to the real crappy rock bands like linking park, imagine dragons, U2, nickleback, coldplay etc...those are really terrifying to me. Aerosmith's songs have always incredible melodies
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Post by bartman2001 on Nov 12, 2014 8:22:07 GMT -5
For every one of us that are “too harsh” on this band there are twice as many apologists who simply will take whatever the band gives them and insist along the way we shut up and do the same even though we know just about everything on MFAD is not up to their standards. What’s a person in their 60’s supposed to write about? Well there’s a wealth of living life in those years and that experience could be drawn upon. Tyler wrote many great lyrics like this in his 20’s & 30’s, precocious for his age, in the likes of “Seasons Of Whither”, “Dream On”, and “No More No More” for example that are far more interesting than the bad cliché pathetic rhyme schemes about love, found on MFAD, that not even the 13 year old Britney Spears fan has any interest in hearing anymore.
And once again I wanted to like MFAD when it came out and I was certainly stoked to see them working with Jack Douglas again. But the bottom line is the band came up with a very in cohesive and unsatisfying effort. Some songs have potential but like Tomass said in a previous post a great song isn’t one that just has bits and pieces to it that are good. Well the inconvenient truth for all the apologists is very few songs on MFAD are good all the way thru and far too many are bad all the way thru too.
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Post by pillis on Nov 13, 2014 14:50:21 GMT -5
I'm not saying that we as fans have to like everything this band puts out but really apart from some really cheap lyrics (there are some good ones tho) I don't find any particular song on MFAD to be bad. Well ok Can't Stop Loving You is basic and stupid but I guess it was ok for crossover single but it's really the only skippable song to my ears. Then I don't mean that this was a perfect album, I have already said it had terrible issues with the tracklist, the overall pace of it and the uninspired lyrics. I just listened to Closer, Lover A Lot, WCHBL, Legendary Child and Freedom Fighter on my iPod...they are all good! I really liked this release much more than their 3 previous albums (bobo, jpp and nine lives). I really hope that they're gonna record something this year because joe's playing has been phenomenal on the last tour and Steven's vocals are AMAZING! His lates live of Run Run Rudolph was mind-blowing!
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Post by gwb on Nov 13, 2014 15:50:30 GMT -5
I'm not saying that we as fans have to like everything this band puts out but really apart from some really cheap lyrics (there are some good ones tho) I don't find any particular song on MFAD to be bad. Well ok Can't Stop Loving You is basic and stupid but I guess it was ok for crossover single but it's really the only skippable song to my ears. Then I don't mean that this was a perfect album, I have already said it had terrible issues with the tracklist, the overall pace of it and the uninspired lyrics. I just listened to Closer, Lover A Lot, WCHBL, Legendary Child and Freedom Fighter on my iPod...they are all good! I really liked this release much more than their 3 previous albums (bobo, jpp and nine lives). I really hope that they're gonna record something this year because joe's playing has been phenomenal on the last tour and Steven's vocals are AMAZING! His lates live of Run Run Rudolph was mind-blowing! If you were alive back in the 70s and experienced the badass, hard rocking, arena rock type of band that Aero was, you wouldn't be saying that we were too harsh on the band now. They have nose-dived, and there is no more polite way to say it.
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Post by pillis on Nov 14, 2014 3:37:47 GMT -5
2012 was not 1975, deal with it. I am the first to love 60s and 70s music but I also appreciate the evolution and the progression of music in general. There are too many cultural and lifestyle differences from the 70s to be able to produce that kind of music and make it relevant today. Again I get your points and clearly MFAD doesnt stand a chance up tp toys or rocks but that's not the way you shoul look at new music.
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Post by gwb on Nov 14, 2014 8:30:17 GMT -5
2012 was not 1975, deal with it. I am the first to love 60s and 70s music but I also appreciate the evolution and the progression of music in general. There are too many cultural and lifestyle differences from the 70s to be able to produce that kind of music and make it relevant today. Again I get your points and clearly MFAD doesnt stand a chance up tp toys or rocks but that's not the way you shoul look at new music. I can look at new music anyway I want to. So can you. But you shouldn't tell US how YOU think we should look at new music. We all come from different backgrounds and eras, and so we all grew up loving Aero for different reasons and in different ways. For many of us who grew up watching live 70s Aero shows at rowdy music festivals, their progression towards softer music, "catchy" lyrics, no extended jams, cheesy collaborations, etc. over the past few decades has been obvious and upsetting to many of us who "want the party to continue". I appreciate that time advances and things can change. However, I'm not of the opinion that good things should change "just to stay current" whenever it's not necessary. If getting with the times will suck, then I'm happy to live in the past.
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Post by pillis on Nov 14, 2014 14:35:09 GMT -5
I am not forcing you to think as I think, I just share my opinion. I honestly believe that if MFAD was put out from another band it wouldn't have been so criticised but now it's like a trend for Aerosmith fans. I would love to hear extended jams and more interesting lyrics but if they can't produce that kind of music anymore I still can enjoy their modern tunes as I appreciated all of their albums tho I have my favourite and least favoruite. I think that forcing them to re-produce old classic aerosmith music is pointless simply because they are not the same people and apparently they lost that spark that they had in the studio back then. Then maybe they will surprise us with some really cool song with bad ass riffs/drums/bass and meaninful and inspird lyrics but again...even in the 70s we have more love/sex/drugs lyrics than real interesting stuff, I don't think that lyrics have never been their forte. And to be honest lover a lot, legendary child and freedom fighter are heavier than some of their earlier stuff. Yes, they do record more ballads now in comparison to the old days but as long as they're good I don't mind that much. Above all that, I am sure that if they're going to release new music they are definitely going into a more rocking and edgy direction but the key to success is promotion and marketing, something that MFAD did not have while it had fairly good reviews upon its release. With both Steven and Joe releasing solo albums next year I am sure that they will find more things in common to put into an Aeorsmith album and it will feel more balanced with less poppy ballads, a more simple and raw production and more of a bad ass feel overall. If they find the right producer who has an extensive knowledge of their production and knows what's the essence of the Aerosmith brand then they might record a great album that will make everyone happy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 16:22:07 GMT -5
You would think so pillis but no. A certain gentleman whose name rhymes with Queeven Spylor will always exert his control over the creative process and the problem is that dear old Queeven has no intention of being a hard rock singer anymore. The band when in the studio is in disarray as some want the work to sound one way and other(s) want it to sound another and you end up with the jumbled mess that is MFAD.
That being said what we must remember is everyone has their own musical tastes. So you love new modern Aerosmith and 3/4 of the people posting here prefer the old. The arguments will be circular and never ending because of the fact that neither group is right and neither group is wrong as it the individual listeners preference as to what they think is good and bad. Prepare to be shocked, but I didn't hate JPP as much as everyone else did. Would I put it in my top five of Aerosmith albums? Absolutely not. But I still dug the album. And I know its probably the most hated album at least on AF2 (and by the band if you read their opinions on it). Whatever I liked a lot of the songs on it. Anyway,Joe Perry put it best when talking about music critics and this is something we should all remember when discussing this topic (I'm going to paraphrase because I don't have the exact quote in front of me) "To Joe, a fan will read a review by a rock critic in Spin or Circus and think 'screw that guy, I like that band' toss the magazine aside and go out and buy the album."
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Post by Air-Roo on Nov 14, 2014 17:05:34 GMT -5
2012 also wasn't 1992. I can't see that Aerosmith has "evolved and progressed" musically beyond desperately trying to cling to their past commercial success, which is now decades behind them.
Seriously, when people say "You old school fans are stuck in the seventies," I feel a need to remind them that Aerosmith hasn't been musically relevant since the mid-1990s. Why is being stuck in a 1970s time warp worse than being stuck in a 1990s time warp?
I wouldn't call MFAD "musical progress." I also wouldn't say that MFAD is particularly relevant now, in the year 2012. The world of music has moved on, and Aerosmith hasn't kept up with it.
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Post by pillis on Nov 15, 2014 6:17:58 GMT -5
MFAD wasn't relevant because it hasn't been promoted and because rock nowadays is not the big thing anymore. And again, I didn't feel the album to sound too 90s apart from we all fall down which is very similar to IDWTMAT (with totally different lyrics). There are some songs that actually sound fresh in their catalogue like beautiful, tell me, something and closer plus some 70s sounding songs plus the ballads. And again, I assume we ALL prefer the old school Aerosmith, I just don't think that their modern music is a total disaster that's all
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Post by bartman2001 on Nov 17, 2014 8:55:28 GMT -5
2012 also wasn't 1992. I can't see that Aerosmith has "evolved and progressed" musically beyond desperately trying to cling to their past commercial success, which is now decades behind them. Seriously, when people say "You old school fans are stuck in the seventies," I feel a need to remind them that Aerosmith hasn't been musically relevant since the mid-1990s. Why is being stuck in a 1970s time warp worse than being stuck in a 1990s time warp? I wouldn't call MFAD "musical progress." I also wouldn't say that MFAD is particularly relevant now, in the year 2012. The world of music has moved on, and Aerosmith hasn't kept up with it. This post hits it spot on. The reason for MFAD failure comes with the band trying to appease every decade of Aero fan and coming up with a mediocre effort as a result. The songs that could have been rock are ruined by cheesy rhyming late 80’s early 90’s cliché’s about love. WCHBL and We All Fall Down hit grabs for their 90’s ballads success that fall flat. Btw am I the only one who realizes 90% of the casual fans don’t want a new version of Cryin’ or IDWTMAT. They crave the nostalgia of the time and place they were with these dated songs. I find it exceedingly amusing that people think any amount of promotion would have made this record sell any better or be any better for that matter. And for the record the band is just as daft on this point as well. Recent interviews over the past year with Joey, Tom and Joe have all mentioned promotion as well. Lastly MFAD reflects a major fail on Jack Douglas’ shoulders it’s the producers job to come back to the band when they came to him with this stuff. He should have had a much more critical ear IMO. It seems like he was pretty much a yes man instead of being my critical of some of the mediocre stuff on this record.
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Post by tomass on Nov 17, 2014 15:47:00 GMT -5
I definitely agree with this.
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Post by Air-Roo on Nov 17, 2014 21:13:46 GMT -5
I know rock isn't the thing anymore -- rock is never commercially successful anymore these days, but commercial success isn't necessarily a measure of quality.
Plenty of rock bands still make awfully good records. They might not be top-charting hit records, but these records have been well-received by fans and critics.
When you're a rock band, and rock fans literally vomit over your new record, that's a really bad sign. Even if Aerosmith isn't commercially successful, they should at least be well-received by their core fanbase and the rock community in general. It makes me sad that Aerosmith is a laughingstock to rock fans. I hate having to defend and explain my love for Aerosmith to other rock fans. I think it's tragic that such a glorious rock band took such a drastic nosedive because they were trying to be everything to everyone. They really have to get over this idea that they can appeal to a broad audience, and I hope MFAD'S commercial failure was a wake-up call for them.
No, the lack of promotion wasn't the problem. No amount of promotion will spin shit into gold. For example, look at how heavily-promoted Taylor Swift's new record is. Her new record will probably be super-commercially successful, but it's still a pile of shit.
"Commercially Successful Music" !== "Quality Music"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 23:11:37 GMT -5
I don't know. My 3 nephews all mid teens live for Rush and ACDC and always have. ACDC sold 8 million last time and I would venture a guess that they do well also this time. Not being on iTunes might help. Good music is good music. What would it cost Aerosmith to go into Joes studio.......alone, all 5 with the sole purpose of making a couple 70's songs and uploading them to iTunes? Nothing? It doesn't have to be an event.
Even I was sick of ST from Am Idol so they had incredible promotion for MFAD. The music was not up to par.
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