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Post by petertherock on May 17, 2020 11:06:24 GMT -5
Problem is in Europe many people rely on public transport while in the US there's more of a car culture so social distancing becomes easier on the way to work in the US (I've used public transport in LA and it was NEVER crowded and yet I've found it pretty efficient and useful). Still we need time and I think trump did a good job balancing economical needs while implementing measures to protect public health. I honestly haven't followed his actions very accurately but from what's generally reported I wouldn't complain too much. Of course every country is acting differently, Italy is not a fixed sample to follow for anyone but Spain, France and UK who's been similarly hit have implemented similar measures and the numbers are getting so much better. Today in Italy we had less than 2000 (around 1800) new cases and with many recovered people and always less patients needing hospitalisation or intensive care, we're now able to enter phase 2 starting from may 4th. Of course there are still limitations and precautions until may 18th and I'm sure this step-by-step approach will continue for many months. The goal is to have a general healthy situation with limited cases that will allow us to act fast and locate local outbreaks and block selected areas only. Or you can risk it and try to block only people who contacted positive patients but that is very hard to pull off and in trying to do so months ago in Italy we let the virus spread over our grasp. Or you can pretend this is a flu and do nothing about it like some genius is suggesting. That may be feasible in unpopulated and isolated countries with little sign of infection but it's definitely not recommended for most developed countries active in the WTO. NYC relies on public transportation and that’s part of the problem. The fact is sunlight, heat and humidity all kill the virus. Most of the people that have died from this are old people in nursing homes. I am not saying it’s OK that old people are dying. But you have idiots like Cuomo (D) NY that sent Covid people back to nursing homes to infect everyone else. Cuomo has blood on his hands. Here in Florida, our Republican governor protected nursing homes. He sent the national guard in to help nursing homes and he kept sick people out of nursing homes. As a result, we have one of the lowest death rates even with our large elderly population. We have been open for a couple weeks now and our number of cases and deaths have continued to go down. It’s like I have been saying all along, get out and get out of your houses. The worst thing you can do is lock yourself in your house 24/7. Georgia, another Republican state, opened up a couple weeks ago and the democrats were hoping there would be a dramatic increase in cases, but you know what? There wasn’t. Now the Democrats are mad, because people even in blue states are realizing that being locked down isn’t the answer. Now they are keeping beaches closed in New York. Cuomo thinks people are going to stay away from the beach because he said so? Fuck him and fuck all the control freak Democrats. This isn’t about Covid anymore, this is about the Democrats wanting to keep the economy closed past the election because they think it will help them win elections. But as they found out in CA and WI, people are waking up and the Democrats hold on power is coming to an end. For those than don’t know, because I am sure it wasn’t reported in the MSM, Republicans won back a House seat in CA and in Wisconsin in recent special elections. This is only a taste of what’s to come in November. |
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Post by smith008 on May 24, 2020 9:47:07 GMT -5
Please keep your repube propaganda to yourselves.
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Post by AeroCooper on May 24, 2020 14:01:21 GMT -5
and....moved. Keep it civil - thanks.
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Post by bartman2001 on May 24, 2020 23:04:54 GMT -5
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Post by pillis on May 29, 2020 17:14:51 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with being Republican or democratic, left or right. I'm happy your country is coping with this efficiently but big highly populated areas have been incredibly affected in such an overwhelming way. It wasn't easy for whoever was in charge to avoid making a few mistakes along the way.
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Post by pillis on Jun 5, 2020 8:05:07 GMT -5
To me they're a bit worse. I was happy I booked 3 shows one at the beginning one in the middle and one at the end of the tour. Now Milan and Paris are one after the other which means most likely same setlist and lots of travel and energy for me in the same week. But damn who cares they are still willing to keep the tour going in the same locations when they could have easily cancelled. As for people complaining about refunds, probably you don't understand the scope of this crisis. The world has stopped for 3 months and all events have been postponed or cancelled. These companies don't have enough money to refund everyone. Let's be glad big events are still happening next year and that we are all here safe to talk about it. Just be grateful really, it was such an unprecedented event.
Might add Zurich at this point or Manchester.
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Post by anaix3l on Jun 6, 2020 6:11:31 GMT -5
As for people complaining about refunds Please explain what part of this is complaining, because all I see in in there is trying to offer concrete helpful info: You're the one who doesn't understand. Billions of people will be affected for the next decade. Tens of millions will starve to death. There will be millions of economic suicides. And many more will die due to damage done to infrastructure (the old patched and overpatched and overoverpatched pipes from this building say hi). My heart bleeds for the Ticketmaster CEO whose salary is in the millions and didn't stop coming in during these troubled times. And let's not forget even lower ranking executives at the same company earn a few good times more than a well-paid neurosurgeon... and I doubt they're doing much to justify those figures. Also, isn't there a certain irony in the fact that the bigger the company, the more they kept out of the ticket money when doing refunds? I'd say let's hope that happens. I'm not sure that will be the case or what restrictions they might come with. Shows are already happening again around the world, but they're always either drive-in (totally not an option for those who can't afford a car) or with strict limitations - at most 500 people, everyone has to wear a mask the entire time, everyone has to remain seated, 2m apart with the seats in between taped off. And while these precautions are good for controlling the spread of the virus, they turn concerts into something different from what I loved. I loved the excitement, the sweat and the bruises... and that's something that gets lost when sitting on your ass. And in case you once more can't make the difference: I'm not complaining. I'm just contemplating the changes and drawing conclusions. And the conclusion is that the magic is gone and I just don't see anything that could lead me to expect it to come back. Because yes, it was magic. Just getting to be there and to get to scream the songs that put into words all those thoughts I was never able to articulate. Exorcise my demons... You're speaking for yourself, right? Because I'm not safe. While I'm not yet in an age category that would put me at risk as far as the virus is concerned, I'm seeing my entire world being ripped apart in front of me and I can't do anything about it. I can get piss drunk and not think about it. Which is something I have been doing and apparently a lot of others have been doing too given alcohol sales and violence have soared. But I am aware it doesn't make it less real. This is where I do agree with you. It is unprecedented. I've always been able to somehow find a way to be in control, not be just a mere spectator, but now I can't do anything to stop everything from crashing. And it terrifies me, it terrifies me more than dying. I've always had this awareness... whenever I'd see a homeless person collapsed on the street, totally out of their minds, I'd always think that's going to be me one day. And now it's so close and so real and I never imagined it would come so soon. I always thought I'd have a few more years... It is what it is, I guess. This is what makes you obnoxious, you know? Being all preachy from the pink fluffy cloud of a rich kid. Glad your ass doesn't have to share the toilet with a hundred and fifty other people living on the same floor, glad you still have any form of a financial safety net whatsoever or the chance of still bringing in any income that's more than zero after this summer. But most people aren't as lucky. And when you tell such a person to "just be grateful", you really just sound like a prick. Btw, I am grateful for a lot of things prior to this. I'm grateful I got to meet Joe and thank him for the music. I'm grateful I had the freedom to travel, even if that's gone now. I'm grateful for all the cool experiences around concerts. Even for that ugly, badly made and overpriced "I ❤ Berlin" raincoat bought before the Aerosmith show three years ago. I can only giggle when I think about it - we must have looked so funny to anyone watching from the outside. But don't ask me to be grateful for the way this was handled when it took everything that made life worth living away from me. |
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Post by pillis on Jun 6, 2020 7:29:22 GMT -5
First of all it wasn't my intention to offend you or anyone else so I'm sorry if I came across as preachy.
Having said that, I'm no rich kid, I'm a 29 years old undergraduate student, currently unemployed, my father's company is crumbling with a 1.5M debt, my mother has a lousy pension and my sister is risking her job so who knows what's gonna happen to my family. I am just grateful that I live in a decent country within a decent EU that has finally gotten an understanding of what's going on. Economic support is coming and will be coming. Me and my partner have received some welfare already and more is to come. There's no point in drinking your anxieties away and act defeated. I also needed medication (lexotan) during the most challenging times of this crisis but now I'm getting over it by being productive, studying and working out everyday. It is a scary time but we need to stay positive and do our best. There are people in much worse conditions around the world. We are among the people who can afford to make sacrifices to enjoy music and travel, total privileges no matter the different income we might have, we are still people with a choice, small or big, we have it.
I'm no expert but even if the GDP drop is historic and many companies will close, this was because of a man-made stop on activities, not because of a structural problem like in 1929 and 2008. We have the opportunity now to invest in strategic and innovative sectors and have a new economic growth period ahead of us. You also seem to be a person with a higher education in a scientific field so I would't act so defeated, there's gotta be the light at the end of this tunnel especially for people with scientific expertise like you.
As for the refund policies, it's not like CEO's payslips are to blame. We are talking about cancellations and postponements of tons of events and travel arrangements worth billions across the entire world. Insurance companies are going crazy, most contracts and policies didn't even consider a scenario like this one. I think most companies are doing their best to both avoid going bankrupt and damaging the customers but we have to understand it's virtually impossible to fully refund everything that's been cancelled in the past months. It just doesn't make any economical sense. Also refund policies regarding tickets are known, if a refund for the event is issued the company will still keep the fee as they still had costs to deliver the service and those cannot be undone. That is also why I always go for the electronic ticket/print at home/PDF solution, it's cheaper and if I need a refund for whatever reason I can easily sell it/refund it without losing the shipping cost.
As for the future of live concerts I wouldn't be so pessimistic, there are good hopes for a vaccine and efficient therapies, it's not yet proven but it appears that summer temperatures in Europe are slowing the virus so I think the concert summer season will be mostly risk-free. And if we are asked to follow certain rules such as wearing masks or being tested for body temperature I think we will learn to cope with them just as we did after 9/11...it seemed scary and troublesome at first but I am sure we all feel much safer travelling under the current conditions.
Maybe I'm not so worried because I have traveled Japan a few times already and over there there is already a mask culture and a sort of social distancing culture at live events most of which are held with numbered seat. Maybe we can all learn a bit from Japanese culture to wear a mask, respect other people's personal space, be clean and wait in well organised lines our turn.
And that €5 berlin raincoat IS NOT a good memory lol!
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