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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 23:59:32 GMT -5
Man, you really need to tune down the hostility. I don't get it and it seems so out of place with the post you made.
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Post by 4bits4licks76 on Aug 8, 2014 0:45:11 GMT -5
....let Linda Perry writing a ballad for them...I also think that the tracklist has to be perfect, 12 songs with one pop/radio ballad written by Linda and another rock ballad with a Brad solo in it. The last thing this band needs is to write another ballad. They don't even play live all the ones they have recorded, including the good, the bad and the embarrassing. The days of having a popular ballad drive record sales is long over, so what's the point?
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Post by sazzafraz on Aug 8, 2014 2:32:51 GMT -5
If they do decide to do an album what do you all think about Rick Rubin producing? Is he producing Steven's solo? At the Q&A Brad was talking about all the live concerts, etc. the band has, so it looks like the next album could be another greatest hits. Brad also mentioned he would like to release the Fenway show but it is bogged down in legal licensing agreements with the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 3:08:14 GMT -5
nine lives is a great album. listen to a song like kiss your past goodbye...just great...i still today find new things about this album! just cant compare to the slower songs on MFAD!!! also the faster songs kills the faster from MFAD!...if you dont agree to this then i dont respect you I have been listening to Bobo the past couple weeks and finding great stuff there I hadn't listened to or paid close enough attention to. JJ, I remember when I was looking to find "big kids" music in the mid 70's and was loaned Black Sabbath and such and just did not like it. It was Sick as a Dog that took me there and I see no difference between that song and say "Animal" off Hysteria. I hear you, Tomass, and Bartman especially and I guess I don't get it, the difference in what you do and don't like. Do you consider AC/DC over produced? I don't, and I love them, and I know I like overproduced stuff also.
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Post by AeroCooper on Aug 8, 2014 5:17:17 GMT -5
The MFAD cover was pretty bad. The cover of JPP was almost the best part of the album though. If it had a green, blue, or black background instead of pink it would have been pretty badass. Nooooooo! Coop likes the cover of JPP? Nooooooo! Coop likes the semi-nude hot metal chick on the cover of JPP. Is that just sad? Meh, I'm ok with that. Ok, to be honest I was very disappointed the first time I saw that cover, mostly due to the overwhelming amount of pink and the girly script font. Bbut looking for the good amongst the bad (which is the trademark of a modern day Aerosmith fan), at least the metal girl was sexier than the two trucks humping on Pump. I always hated that cover.
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Post by CheshireCat on Aug 8, 2014 5:24:20 GMT -5
A good rock album will promote itself. They have the name and relative popularity. They promoted the shit out of MFAD and it didn't do them any good. This was true 30 years ago, not now. You want a #1 album? You need to work your ass off and do some promo, and promo doesn't mean just live performances on tv, it means a whole strategy behind the release of the album...which MFAD cleary did not have. They actually promoted MFAD for some days but it wasn't clear what was the single, at the iHeart radio they played Oh Yeah which didn't have a video! What Clould Have Been Love, which was a top 10 hit, didn't have any promo whatsoever, same for the Diane Warren Track...the lable clearly did not supported the album, with some good publisihing Legendary Child could have been used in some tv spot (it was actually supposed to be featured in a movie), We All Fall Down was perfect for a movie as well and they wasted the presence of Carrie Underwood who's huge in the States. They even went to David Letterman and played Lover A Lot and Train, which is great but it was the b-side, why not WCHBL? In Boston they kept on playin just lover a lot and oh yeah, so the fault was of the lable and theirs because they apparently didn't want to reharse the new songs! Promo is EVERYTHING, you can sell a piece of crap to milion of people!. I don't know what they did in Europe, but they were everywhere in the states when they were pushing MFAD.
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Post by pillis on Aug 8, 2014 6:22:25 GMT -5
The only good covers they had in the 70s were rocks and draw the line. Everyone has his or her tastes in music, but I think that lyrically and musically the ballads on MFAD are better than the one on Nine Lives which I find very poppish and overproduced. Then I have to say that Aerosmith have always been overproduced and noisy and that's what I love about them. It's true that the days when Aerosmith's ballads were pushing the albums' sales are probably gone, but if they promote those songs they could get at least one or two big radio hits that make people say: hey, they're still on top of their game. I agree that they appeared in lots of places during the releases on MFAD and they had amazing opportunities but as I said, there was no strategy behind the promotion itself. Streaming the album on RS was a stupid thing as people would listen over and over the same song ang go like: ok this sucks, whithout listenig to the whole album straigth away. Then as I said, they did not promote their single, which are the songs they send to radios and whatever...and despite everyone says that MFAD was a sellout they promoted just the rockers: Legendary Child (ONCE+The Baseball game), Oh Yeah and Lover A Lot (which weren't single with videos so they couldn't make much impact). They just focused on: THE NEW AEROSMITH ALBUM IN 11 YEARS thinking it would sell on its own, but they really needed to put those songs everywhere. I liked the making of the album in 6 episode, that was cool and modern...I thin there were lots of great ideas even in the marketing plan but as Joe said, when the movie was delayed everything kinda of collapsed. For me, that I'm a fan and I follow them I was so happy because they were performing in so many places but for a casual fan, or for a person who likes rock n roll and happens to know their name? He or she could have heard lover a lot and oh yeah and then? Where's the single? Where's the album? It was very messy imo.
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Post by AeroCooper on Aug 8, 2014 7:21:08 GMT -5
I think all the 70s albums had great covers. Aerosmith had a great group shot of the band, looking all tough and ready to take on the world. GYW showed an even darker side of the band, with the (carefully crafted) 'who cares what the world thinks?' look of the band sitting around. Toys was very fitting with the title, and it had that sinister look that any self respecting rock album should have. Rocks was the most boring cover of the bunch, but still, anyone could see that the 5 diamonds represented the 5 band members, and the title was awesome in its 3 different meanings (to me anyway). - "Aerosmith Rocks" as in "Do you like Aerosmith?" "Hell yeah, Aerosmith Rocks!"
- "Aerosmith Rocks" almost the same as #1, but more literal. On this album Aerosmith gets out there are plays some true rock and roll.
- "Rocks" - to go along with the diamonds
Draw The Line said that the band was so famous now, and the band members (especially Joe and Steven) were so recognizable, that all they needed was a caricature on the cover. Plus it stands as the coolest album cover by any band ever, IMO
Night in The Ruts was just awesome in all its dirty, gritty glory. Very fitting for a band like Aerosmith. And in retrospect, it fits the mindset of the band at the time, where everything was going to hell and it was more work than fun for them at that point.
And...it was all downhill from there.
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Post by pillis on Aug 8, 2014 8:17:56 GMT -5
I really have to disagree, I think that Aerosmith's visual just got better with time and labels started to be way more detailed with it after the release of Pump. The Get A Grip and Nine Lives artworks were exeptional, say what you want but the cryin' cover is sick! We were in the middle of the grunge era and they had that trashy style which became popular later in the 90s. Same for Nine Lives, they almost looked from the early 2000s and it was 97. For me the cover of an album is very important on its own and I think that Aerosmith's cover have always been so cool lol!
Back to the topic, I really don't care if they're gonna record a ballad or not, to me, an Aerosmith album without at least a beautiful ballad is incomplete. At the same time I want them to deliver just one or two great ballads and make them count putting them in movies, ads or whatever. Believe it or not but WCHBL had plenty of radio spins in Italy even with no promotion at all and a terrible video which was a flop in terms of youtube views.
I also get what many of you are sayin, that their catalogue is already impressive and we do not need other songs to be played live but I think that as long as they replace duds and overplayed songs in the set with new ones we can still have great and fresh setlists but at this point they don't make new music to be played live that much, they make it because they want to and they want to leave some musical trace even when they're near the end of their career..which to me is very admirable. And this leads us to the big question: who's gonna produce their next songs? Jacks said that he was basically sure he was going back to the studio with them, I wouldn't mind a couple of tracks produced by him as I think he's brilliant, but if they're gonna go through the whole process of making an album, I think they need a younger and stronger person who brings fresh ideas, who knows every single Aerosmith song, every hook, every guitar's detail, every vocal...and especially someone who has the guts to say to Steven Tyler: look, I'm in charge now, you want to make a good album? Go to work and put down some interesting lyrics and stop collaborting with desmon child, marti frederiksen etc... Not that I don't like them honestly, but they need a breath of fresh air. As I said Linda Perry is an amazing songwriter and could bring some heart and passion to the project, maybe making Steven open up a bit and deliver honest and raw lyrics instead of always the old and sexual stuff. I think that Joe Perry has become such a pussy, don't get me wrong, it's s admirable that he's so in love with his wife but if he can just write something about the moon, sudden embraces, and beautiful faces then maybe it's better for him to just play the guitar....and I love Oh Yeah's lyrics, I think they're beautiful but if you think it's written by Joe Fucking Perry...ehm!
So my ideal aerosmith album would be Steven working with Linda for the lyrics and the emotional process and have one ballad written and produced by her on the album and let Ryan Ulyate produce the rest of the album. I heard some of his work with Tom Petty and I'm impressed, very bluesy, with sharp guitars which sound very Joe Perry and lots of great harmonica moments, then Aerosmith will bring the gritty and raunchy sound. That would be a cool formula but they need discipline and make things work. Good tracklist, good single choices, good promotion and at least 2 great videos. If they really are passionate about it and want to do it they can pay with their own money, they're bloody milionaire! If they put 1 or 1.5 milion each they have quite a good budget...something that they can easily cover with the touring and merchandise anyway.
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Post by tomass on Aug 9, 2014 8:11:40 GMT -5
If they do decide to do an album what do you all think about Rick Rubin producing? That would be the only way I would be slightly interested in a new Aerosmith album. Steven is probably using him more for his pop hip hop and rock background in hopes to get a really diverse album. But he us great at reviving rock bands and I think if they let him, he could bring some magic out from these guys.
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Post by pillis on Aug 9, 2014 8:24:18 GMT -5
If they do decide to do an album what do you all think about Rick Rubin producing? That would be the only way I would be slightly interested in a new Aerosmith album. Steven is probably using him more for his pop hip hop and rock background in hopes to get a really diverse album. But he us great at reviving rock bands and I think if they let him, he could bring some magic out from these guys. I think he could be a great idea as he works in both rock and rap/hip hop scenes so can embrace Aerosmith's crossover potential and make it shine again making a more balanced album but I'm not sure about his style of production...his music is always so compressed that the final product is a bit rubbish while Jack Douglas said that if he's working again with Aerosmith they're willing to have little compression and have a normal loudness, that's important to me, especially if Aerosmith are going to release new music without the support (and then the limitations) of a label.
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Post by gwb on Aug 9, 2014 14:19:04 GMT -5
Damn, I'm having problems with the quotes today. Anyway I just said "Truer words have never been spoken" in response to Coop's statement "And it was all downhill from there" (meaning after the six 70s albums).
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Post by bostonian on Aug 9, 2014 16:40:06 GMT -5
Simple fact... the Album sucked and was all over the place. I want an album like Van Halen's A Different Kind of Truth... Go back to the vaults, pull out some of those old school incomplete late 70's early 80's tracks. Hell do it with the left over from when Jimmy and Rick was in the band. Give it some of that Joe flare and Brad killer licks... Make it no more than 9 tracks... One ballad and bam... you got an album.
Have all the boys in the same room, and keep it simple and sweet.
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Post by pillis on Aug 9, 2014 19:08:31 GMT -5
Simple fact... the Album sucked and was all over the place. I want an album like Van Halen's A Different Kind of Truth... Go back to the vaults, pull out some of those old school incomplete late 70's early 80's tracks. Hell do it with the left over from when Jimmy and Rick was in the band. Give it some of that Joe flare and Brad killer licks... Make it no more than 9 tracks... One ballad and bam... you got an album. Have all the boys in the same room, and keep it simple and sweet. Album aren't 9 tracks long anymore...the 70s are over but I agree that back then it was most of the times all killer no filler with a closing ballad but it's 2014 now, 12 is a good amount of songs for a nowadays album. There are pop/rnb album that are 18-22 songs!! I'd be ok with a 9-11 songs album if they will release big singles on limited 7" vinyls with exclusive b-sides, that would make more sense from a business/marketing perspective, so at the end they are gonna record basically the same number of songs. Then they really do not need streaming, young people are gonna download illegalily anyway because the little money they have is unlikely to be spent on music. I think they can sell albums to the 30-60 y.o. range but if many of these people can listen to the album via spotify it's difficult that they're gonna buy the physical or even digital copy. I think that MFAD physical package was VERY appealing, with an amazing deluxe version with the dvd and the little poster, amazing artworks and shining cover but again, there was no strategy behind the promotional campaign. I really miss b-sides in nowadays music.
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Post by ap on Aug 9, 2014 21:10:35 GMT -5
I don't think any producer can penetrate the Wall Of Tyler. He's the pop pusher, and rules with an iron scarf.
Case in point? If anyone could've pulled the ROCK out of Aero, it's Jack Douglas. All one has to do is give a listen to his production on Michael Monroe's 2011 release, Sensory Overdrive. That record just leaps from the speakers!
He was unable to inject any of that venom into MFAD. Likely overridden by the power that be.
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