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Post by pillis on Aug 7, 2014 16:07:33 GMT -5
So everyone is talking about a new Aerosmith album, what do you think they should do this time around? I kinda agree with Tom when he thinks that Joe's solo album could take away time and ideas from the band and that they need a strong producer to put all together in the same room and drive them to the right direction. Even tho I loved Jack's work on MFAD I think he's too old to handle too many ideas and choose a specific path and sound for the band. As I said elsewhere, the tracklist was all over the place, there were a couple of fillers and some songs were just too long and redundant...things that made me think that Aerosmith might need another producer next time, although Jack could produce just a couple of rockers. I thought of Kevin Shirley who produced Nine Lives, although it's not my fav Aerosmith's album he did a pretty good job with Joe Bonamassa and Beth Hart, he already worked with them (recently with Brad) so I think it could work, he would let Brad shine a bit more!
Another great producer could be Michael Beinhorn, he produced Walk On Water and Blind Man and despite being two quite poppish songs the sound was great! Sonically, I personally prefer Beihorn as he's quite eclectic and keen to pop melodies that would suit Aerosmith perfectly. Those are his latest productions for Courtney Love (who's the most hated woman on Earth but these songs are cool):
Then I would leave Diane Warren out next time and let Linda Perry writing a ballad for them, she's an amazing songwriter and can be either pop and rock. I also think that the tracklist has to be perfect, 12 songs with one pop/radio ballad written by Linda and another rock ballad with a Brad solo in it. Since they're lucky with movies, the Linda's song could turn to be featured in a OST. Then 10 songs which can be midtempos or fast rockers but need to be strong, raunchy and gritty. I wouldn't mind an extra poppish single as long as it's good and it's heavily promoted in order to give the album a much wider exposure, so its presence would make sense.
I don't take another album for granted and as Joe said, they could end up releasing digital singles once in a while which can be good if it's done properly but since they're old and lazy I wouldn't go that way.
Do you know other producers who can be a good choice?
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Post by lin on Aug 7, 2014 16:21:27 GMT -5
I have no idea about producers. I don't have a problem with Joe's solo album. He said he's about halfway done so I doubt it would take up any valuable time. I'm more concerned about Steven's solo album. That seems to be the one taking all the time. He's been working on it apparently for several years. As far as the content, I'd rather they stick to good old rock and roll Aerosmith style and leave the ballads for Steven's solo album.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 16:25:28 GMT -5
I'll be honest. After MFAD. I'm good. Release a song here and there but no need for a new album. They missed the mark with their last one and its apparent from the fact that they are still blaming the fans instead of themselves that they don't get it.
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Post by pillis on Aug 7, 2014 16:25:56 GMT -5
I have no idea about producers. I don't have a problem with Joe's solo album. He said he's about halfway done so I doubt it would take up any valuable time. I'm more concerned about Steven's solo album. That seems to be the one taking all the time. He's been working on it apparently for several years. As far as the content, I'd rather they stick to good old rock and roll Aerosmith style and leave the ballads for Steven's solo album. They always had ballads even back then, and they're actually beautiful so I think that at least one or two good ballads are essential. I'm more concerned that some of Joe's soungs could have turned into good Aerosmith songs while I'm sure that Steven's solo songs are going to be quite different as luv lies and it feels so good, which I enjoyed a lot but I wouldn't have been so impressed if they were released on an Aerosmith album.
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Post by pillis on Aug 7, 2014 16:27:57 GMT -5
I'll be honest. After MFAD. I'm good. Release a song here and there but no need for a new album. They missed the mark with their last one and its apparent from the fact that they are still blaming the fans instead of themselves that they don't get it. C'mon they did not BLAME the fans for the flop. Tom was the only one who talked about the fans and simply said that many Aerosmith fans may have not listened to the album a lot or have not listened to the album at all as it had a bad promotion, and I think we can all agree with that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 16:33:57 GMT -5
They have in the past. They might not be as out in front with it as Tom was, but the band has been very vocal of their support of the album and not understanding why it did as poorly as it did. So if it wasn't them then who do you think it was in their minds?
That's not even the point. I know you really loved MFAD pillis, but not everyone did. Tom even said in this latest article that Coop posted that he understands and equated it to his love of the Stones and how people don't get the new stuff but love the old. Maybe Aerosmith is past the point where they need to release new albums. MFAD was a hot mess. Sure there was some good stuff on it, but not enough to make me think "damn I need another album like that." And from the fact that the band is still defending the album shows they've learned nothing and if given the chance will give us another MFAD. So I'm actually good.
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Post by pillis on Aug 7, 2014 16:45:25 GMT -5
They have in the past. They might not be as out in front with it as Tom was, but the band has been very vocal of their support of the album and not understanding why it did as poorly as it did. So if it wasn't them then who do you think it was in their minds? That's not even the point. I know you really loved MFAD pillis, but not everyone did. Tom even said in this latest article that Coop posted that he understands and equated it to his love of the Stones and how people don't get the new stuff but love the old. Maybe Aerosmith is past the point where they need to release new albums. MFAD was a hot mess. Sure there was some good stuff on it, but not enough to make me think "damn I need another album like that." And from the fact that the band is still defending the album shows they've learned nothing and if given the chance will give us another MFAD. So I'm actually good. Well, the idea is not to release a new MFAD. I think Tom and Brad already said what was wrong in the studio and the making of the album. Tom's right about the fans not interested in hearing new albums but look, I am (and I bet there are other tons of people who want new music) and they seem to want to release something sooner or later. They sound great right now so it would be a shame losing this opportunity. The fact is that they don't want to flop so hard because at their age is pathetic, so they really need to do some promo to engage with their younger fans but they also need to impress their older fans who, apprently, are sick and tired of this situation. Then there's the problem that albums simply do not sell that much nowadays and the music industry is changing, artists (and their labels/managers) are supposed to make money with sponsorships, merchandise, ads, licensing, touring and publishing...so labels have to be creative in those areas. Aerosmith have still the potential to make a more than decent "comeback". If they can reach at least 150k in the first week and jump to the n.1 or 2 spot on the billboard 200 then it's ok, press will be positive and everyone would remember the album as a decent success...nowadays just the first week is really important.
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Post by CheshireCat on Aug 7, 2014 17:04:06 GMT -5
I want Aerosmith to make another album. I think releasing songs here and there might be a viable option for the fans of the radio friendly Aerosmith. But for anyone who wants a legitimate Aerosmith gem, it's the end of the road.
Albums let the band explore and have a chance at writing the classic deep cut gems we all love. Though I despise MFAD, at least there was an attempt at writing a rock song with Street Jesus, though it fell flat. But if they are going to go down "the lowest common denominator" route again, then scratch the idea of an album.
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Post by legendarydude on Aug 7, 2014 17:06:08 GMT -5
I completely agree that Kevin Shirley would be a great idea! Would be Interesting to hear them work with Dave Grohl too, he seems to do so many different things, working with Joan Jett, Zac Brown Band and Dead Sara to name a few... I'd love to hear another album and it'd be great to hear an album of outtakes as well eg: Loretta, Meltdown, 13, Bridges Are Burning, Where The Sun Never Shines, Innocent Man... you get my point, lol! I don't think they should be too bothered about sales, just have fun with it.
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Post by CheshireCat on Aug 7, 2014 17:08:25 GMT -5
They have in the past. They might not be as out in front with it as Tom was, but the band has been very vocal of their support of the album and not understanding why it did as poorly as it did. So if it wasn't them then who do you think it was in their minds? That's not even the point. I know you really loved MFAD pillis, but not everyone did. Tom even said in this latest article that Coop posted that he understands and equated it to his love of the Stones and how people don't get the new stuff but love the old. Maybe Aerosmith is past the point where they need to release new albums. MFAD was a hot mess. Sure there was some good stuff on it, but not enough to make me think "damn I need another album like that." And from the fact that the band is still defending the album shows they've learned nothing and if given the chance will give us another MFAD. So I'm actually good. Well, the idea is not to release a new MFAD. I think Tom and Brad already said what was wrong in the studio and the making of the album. Tom's right about the fans not interested in hearing new albums but look, I am (and I bet there are other tons of people who want new music) and they seem to want to release something sooner or later. They sound great right now so it would be a shame losing this opportunity. The fact is that they don't want to flop so hard because at their age is pathetic, so they really need to do some promo to engage with their younger fans but they also need to impress their older fans who, apprently, are sick and tired of this situation. Then there's the problem that albums simply do not sell that much nowadays and the music industry is changing, artists (and their labels/managers) are supposed to make money with sponsorships, merchandise, ads, licensing, touring and publishing...so labels have to be creative in those areas. Aerosmith have still the potential to make a more than decent "comeback". If they can reach at least 150k in the first week and jump to the n.1 or 2 spot on the billboard 200 then it's ok, press will be positive and everyone would remember the album as a decent success...nowadays just the first week is really important. A good rock album will promote itself. They have the name and relative popularity. They promoted the shit out of MFAD and it didn't do them any good.
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Post by pillis on Aug 7, 2014 17:13:23 GMT -5
I completely agree that Kevin Shirley would be a great idea! Would be Interesting to hear them work with Dave Grohl too, he seems to do so many different things, working with Joan Jett, Zac Brown Band and Dead Sara to name a few... I'd love to hear another album and it'd be great to hear an album of outtakes as well eg: Loretta, Meltdown, 13, Bridges Are Burning, Where The Sun Never Shines, Innocent Man... you get my point, lol! I don't think they should be too bothered about sales, just have fun with it. Well they do care about sales but now that they're off with Sony they can do whatever they want without necessarily chasing a hit. So I think that releasing singles from once in a while could also be a good idea and I don't think it'll mean poppish songs for casual fans, on the contrary it'll give them time to focus on less songs, just killers no fillers but I agree with you, I'm old school and I rather a full lenght album. I totally despise Dave Grohl, he's so anti-rock that he makes me vomit (and people here have the guts to say that Aerosmith are a sell out puah). If they are gonna put out some outtakes most fan would start bitching about it as they did with Legendary Child when they were probably the first craving for it back in the 90s because the song IS actually a rock bomb.
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Post by pillis on Aug 7, 2014 17:22:18 GMT -5
Well, the idea is not to release a new MFAD. I think Tom and Brad already said what was wrong in the studio and the making of the album. Tom's right about the fans not interested in hearing new albums but look, I am (and I bet there are other tons of people who want new music) and they seem to want to release something sooner or later. They sound great right now so it would be a shame losing this opportunity. The fact is that they don't want to flop so hard because at their age is pathetic, so they really need to do some promo to engage with their younger fans but they also need to impress their older fans who, apprently, are sick and tired of this situation. Then there's the problem that albums simply do not sell that much nowadays and the music industry is changing, artists (and their labels/managers) are supposed to make money with sponsorships, merchandise, ads, licensing, touring and publishing...so labels have to be creative in those areas. Aerosmith have still the potential to make a more than decent "comeback". If they can reach at least 150k in the first week and jump to the n.1 or 2 spot on the billboard 200 then it's ok, press will be positive and everyone would remember the album as a decent success...nowadays just the first week is really important. A good rock album will promote itself. They have the name and relative popularity. They promoted the shit out of MFAD and it didn't do them any good. This was true 30 years ago, not now. You want a #1 album? You need to work your ass off and do some promo, and promo doesn't mean just live performances on tv, it means a whole strategy behind the release of the album...which MFAD cleary did not have. They actually promoted MFAD for some days but it wasn't clear what was the single, at the iHeart radio they played Oh Yeah which didn't have a video! What Clould Have Been Love, which was a top 10 hit, didn't have any promo whatsoever, same for the Diane Warren Track...the lable clearly did not supported the album, with some good publisihing Legendary Child could have been used in some tv spot (it was actually supposed to be featured in a movie), We All Fall Down was perfect for a movie as well and they wasted the presence of Carrie Underwood who's huge in the States. They even went to David Letterman and played Lover A Lot and Train, which is great but it was the b-side, why not WCHBL? In Boston they kept on playin just lover a lot and oh yeah, so the fault was of the lable and theirs because they apparently didn't want to reharse the new songs! Promo is EVERYTHING, you can sell a piece of crap to milion of people!.
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Post by lin on Aug 7, 2014 17:28:55 GMT -5
I have no idea about producers. I don't have a problem with Joe's solo album. He said he's about halfway done so I doubt it would take up any valuable time. I'm more concerned about Steven's solo album. That seems to be the one taking all the time. He's been working on it apparently for several years. As far as the content, I'd rather they stick to good old rock and roll Aerosmith style and leave the ballads for Steven's solo album. They always had ballads even back then, and they're actually beautiful so I think that at least one or two good ballads are essential. I'm more concerned that some of Joe's soungs could have turned into good Aerosmith songs while I'm sure that Steven's solo songs are going to be quite different as luv lies and it feels so good, which I enjoyed a lot but I wouldn't have been so impressed if they were released on an Aerosmith album. One or two tops, not five or six. I still have no problem with Joe doing a solo.... even if it sounds like good Aerosmith music. It should sound like good Aerosmith music since he is one of the principle songwriters. I'm not sure why Steven's would sound different since he's the other principle songwriter.
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Post by pillis on Aug 7, 2014 17:33:19 GMT -5
They always had ballads even back then, and they're actually beautiful so I think that at least one or two good ballads are essential. I'm more concerned that some of Joe's soungs could have turned into good Aerosmith songs while I'm sure that Steven's solo songs are going to be quite different as luv lies and it feels so good, which I enjoyed a lot but I wouldn't have been so impressed if they were released on an Aerosmith album. One or two tops, not five or six. I still have no problem with Joe doing a solo.... even if it sounds like good Aerosmith music. It should sound like good Aerosmith music since he is one of the principle songwriters. I'm not sure why Steven's would sound different since he's the other principle songwriter. Well on MFAD there were 5 ballads, same as Nine Lives which seems to be more appreciated even if the ballads there are worse imo. Anyway, 5 are way too many I agree, 2 ballads out of 12 shold be fine. I think that Steven is willing to do more of a pop record, maybe collaborating with other singers while Joe is all about good riffs that are pure Aerosmith for me. But I am actually curious to hear both the albums, I think that Steven's solo album could help Aerosmith to gain some extra exposure for a potential album afterwards.
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Post by pillis on Aug 7, 2014 19:26:25 GMT -5
What about Tom Petty's producer Ryan Ulyate? Their latest album Hypnotic Eye debuted at #1 (with 130k more or less) and it's still at #1 on the rock chart.
Sonic-wise it would be perfect imo, but I think Aerosmith need a strong person who's able to be in charge and I really do not know this Ryan, he seems very old school.
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