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Post by VoodooMedicineMan on Feb 15, 2023 0:13:48 GMT -5
That Insider article is trash, but consistent with what passes for journalism these days. The writer feels there is a consensus among "experts" that Steven faces an uphill battle, yet only references two. Both of whom are advocates for "survivors" of sexual abuse. Gee I wonder what side they are going to favor in this? Yet, both seem kind of surprised this actually may go to trial.
Now, I'm no journalist, but I did take the required English classes back when I was in high school 25 years ago. Granted the click bait, slide show article was still in it's infancy back then, but, if I recall, the next step would be to talk to some defense "experts" on how they view this case. Just a hunch, but I suspect they may have a different take on it than the two activists.
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Post by AeroCooper on Feb 15, 2023 6:56:37 GMT -5
Disappointing this story won’t go away. Perhaps he won’t settle since it would just invite copy cat lawsuits. Has this impacted how you all view Aerosmith? Listening to them less? Leaving your t shirt in the drawer? I think this story will sideline all of 2023 in terms of Aerosmith output I was recently roped into the quarterly philanthropy committee at work and would have suggested Janie's Fund as the recipient, if not for the fact that this story had just made the headlines a few days earlier. I didn't really feel like fielding the questions about 'supporting a pedophile' that were likely to come up from the uneducated headline readers.
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Post by VoodooMedicineMan on Feb 15, 2023 9:23:16 GMT -5
Yahoo posted the Insider activist article Coop posted yesterday. It allows user comments, and people are still overwhelmingly on Tyler's side in this. Or at the very least, seeing through the skanks story. news.yahoo.com/steven-tyler-hard-time-overcoming-221718436.html?fr=sycsrp_catchallConsidering the public sentiment, I don't see how anyone could claim Tyler has an uphill battle here. I'm sure the reason he hasn't settled yet, is his legal team has advised him not to. There is likely a very, very strong procedural argument that California has no business hosting this trial, and that anything awarded to the plaintiff would be thrown on by an appeals court since nothing significant occurred there. In most states, including the 2 Steven resided, the age of consent is and has been 16. Then for the theater of a trial, what comments has WholeCum made in the past? How will other witnesses recall her antics and intent backstage? Steven would obviously be represented by women in the courtroom, and they would be able to finally go on offense. If hardly anyone is convinced after hearing only her side of the story (and articles by activists), I'd expect it to become even more lopsided after Steven's team goes to work.
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Post by tomhamilton on Feb 15, 2023 10:17:30 GMT -5
Has this impacted how you all view Aerosmith? Listening to them less? Leaving your t shirt in the drawer? No, it hasn't, and it won't. Steven's private life is not Aerosmith's music.
Will he probably get "cancelled" now by a minor group? Most likely. Will that impact on Aerosmith? Yes, probably they won't be able to tour anywhere because no promoter would sign them and look like they approve his behavior. It's surprising he didn't try to settle this before it got this far. It's another staind over the band's last years of almost constant mishaps.
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Post by AeroCooper on Feb 17, 2023 6:54:07 GMT -5
Considering the public sentiment, I don't see how anyone could claim Tyler has an uphill battle here. I'm sure the reason he hasn't settled yet, is his legal team has advised him not to. Unfortunately the public sentiment won't matter in a court of law. That being said, I fully agree with the second statement.
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Post by VoodooMedicineMan on Feb 17, 2023 9:58:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately the public sentiment won't matter in a court of law. That being said, I fully agree with the second statement. Not entirely true. Civil trials have jurors picked from a pool of plebeians. Granted comment sections aren't exactly scientific, and there would be more 'evidence' presented at trial, but from what I've seen over 85% of the comments and upvotes are viewing this as a frivolous money grab. And that is after only hearing her comments. That's a pretty good starting point for the defense. Procedural law is strongly on Steven's side here. This is a California State Court, not a Federal Court in the state of California. Events that allegedly occurred in Oregon, Washington, Massachusetts and New Hampshire between residents of those states, should not be taking place in a California State Court. Even if they want to put on a spectacle and were to somehow win a judgement, good luck getting that to hold up through the appeals process.
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Post by Alicanto on Mar 4, 2023 22:58:26 GMT -5
Any word on settlement proceedings? I assume (and hope) this isn't going to court.
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Post by pillis on Mar 6, 2023 5:21:34 GMT -5
Any word on settlement proceedings? I assume (and hope) this isn't going to court. I want all of these crazy cases to go to court and have these silly gold diggers humiliated so justice can be served!
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Post by petertherock on Mar 8, 2023 21:25:30 GMT -5
Any word on settlement proceedings? I assume (and hope) this isn't going to court. I want all of these crazy cases to go to court and have these silly gold diggers humiliated so justice can be served! The problem with this case is it may be unwinable for Steven. It’s printed in a book…his own book…what he did. So a settlement would probably be the best way to go in this case.
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Post by aeronyc on Mar 9, 2023 0:18:12 GMT -5
I want all of these crazy cases to go to court and have these silly gold diggers humiliated so justice can be served! The problem with this case is it may be unwinable for Steven. It’s printed in a book…his own book…what he did. So a settlement would probably be the best way to go in this case. Agreed. And drawing more attention won’t help reputationally even if winnable. Steven doesn’t need to spend his 70s on this. Settle and move on and live the nice life that you deserve at this point
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Post by pillis on Mar 9, 2023 5:13:37 GMT -5
I want all of these crazy cases to go to court and have these silly gold diggers humiliated so justice can be served! The problem with this case is it may be unwinable for Steven. It’s printed in a book…his own book…what he did. So a settlement would probably be the best way to go in this case. It's a book, it's a piece of fiction to embellish the life of a rockstar. Nothing can be taken seriously, also I am pretty sure no real names were used so you can't really prove this really happened to this specific woman without any reasonable doubt. Either way, Aerosmith are done and over with or without this lawsuit.
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Post by redvers76 on Mar 21, 2023 10:35:56 GMT -5
I watched the "Look Away" documentary yesterday; the stuff with JH is absolutely nowhere near as bad* as the stuff that happened to others featured. She willingly partook in this relationship, admitted she went to a gig with the intention of getting with Steven, dressed to impress, it worked, and suddenly it's Steven's fault?
She was "of age" in most states - as I understand it, the ward thing was just so they could go on tour in states where the legal age was 18. At that point Steven was not rich & famous, which people seem to forget.
* Yes the whole forced abortion thing is absolutely frocking awful, and from what I have read, Steven himself has regretted that since the day it happened. But the stuff with Jackie Fox 🤯
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Post by pillis on Mar 21, 2023 10:51:35 GMT -5
Groopie stories, also some people like to think that teens at 16 are innocent children. They're not and they're well into puberty. Also, it was the 70s.
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Post by petertherock on Mar 21, 2023 11:52:56 GMT -5
Groopie stories, also some people like to think that teens at 16 are innocent children. They're not and they're well into puberty. Also, it was the 70s. You probably weren’t around back in the day…maybe you were…don’t remember…but back in the late 90s and early 2000’s on the AF1 forums you had 14-18 year olds bragging about how they wanted to have sex with Steven. Yeah, I know it was different times back then…but the band members were still in their 40s back then. Steven was also putting 14-18 year olds in the front row too. Probably still does… 😂
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Post by indigoblue on Mar 31, 2023 7:54:09 GMT -5
Steven has filled a response to the lawsuit. His attorney is Shawn Holley. The case No# is 22TRCV01604 if you want to look it up.
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